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salt life

salt life

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2986759
the more you agree with me, the more you'll realize you're right.
well I disagree, I would have got back on the boat with the other 2 guys, not stayed in the water. and you are in there enviroment. if they sharks chose that shipwreck for breedings grounds then you are in there territory. and if I saw a lion or a bear in the same area I was in, i'd get my ass out of there, not stick around to see if it comes at me.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/2986766
well I disagree, I would have got back on the boat with the other 2 guys, not stayed in the water. and you are in there enviroment. if they sharks chose that shipwreck for breedings grounds then you are in there territory. and if I saw a lion or a bear in the same area I was in, i'd get my ass out of there, not stick around to see if it comes at me.
The problem is, from everything I've seen and read, I don't think you can run from an aggressive shark. They will be on you in a split second. Everything I've ever heard is that you have to take an aggressive posture with an aggressive shark.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/2986766
well I disagree, I would have got back on the boat with the other 2 guys, not stayed in the water. and you are in there enviroment. if they sharks chose that shipwreck for breedings grounds then you are in there territory. and if I saw a lion or a bear in the same area I was in, i'd get my ass out of there, not stick around to see if it comes at me.
you underestimate the speed of predatory animals. running is the worst thing you can do....you will NOT outrun a grizzly bear or a lion that wants to eat you. and in the water, you will NOT outswim an aggressive shark. they have hundreds of thousands to millions of years of evolution on their side that made them apex predators.
go watch the video again and see the part in the middle where the shark is less than 10 feet from the end of the guy's s-pear. a big shark can close 10 feet in the fraction of a second. you sit there thinking "I don't know if I should poke him or not", and you pay with your life because when he decides to move in, it's over. you turn your back on a predator to get back to the boat and hope he doesn't decide to follow you? you're dead. if you ever come upon a predatory animal and say, "oh well, I'm in their environment, I'll just let them eat me without putting up a fight". if that's your attitude, go for it. but you're in the minority because every animal on earth has a natural survival instinct. I think your being very naive.
 
salt life

salt life

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Originally Posted by crimzy
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The problem is, from everything I've seen and read, I don't think you can run from an aggressive shark. They will be on you in a split second. Everything I've ever heard is that you have to take an aggressive posture with an aggressive shark.
then how did 2 other people have time to get back on the boat? what is his excuse for staying in the water?
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
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then how did 2 other people have time to get back on the boat? what is his excuse for staying in the water?
Because it appeared that the shark was focused on the one guy, which gave the other two an opportunity to get away. I don't think these guys were out to kill sharks for fun.
 
salt life

salt life

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Originally Posted by Pontius
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you underestimate the speed of predatory animals. running is the worst thing you can do....you will NOT outrun a grizzly bear or a lion that wants to eat you. and in the water, you will NOT outswim an aggressive shark. they have hundreds of thousands to millions of years of evolution on their side that made them apex predators.
go watch the video again and see the part in the middle where the shark is less than 10 feet from the end of the guy's s-pear. a big shark can close 10 feet in the fraction of a second. you sit there thinking "I don't know if I should poke him or not", and you pay with your life because when he decides to move in, it's over. you turn your back on predator to get back to the boat and hope he doesn't decide to follow you? you're dead. if you ever come upon a predatory animal and say, "oh well, I'm in their environment, I'll just let them eat me without putting up a fight". if that's your attitude, go for it. but you're in the minority because every animal on earth has a natural survival instinct. I think your being very naive.
I'm not trying to be, I've done my share of diving and have come into contact with spinner sharks, sandbar sharks, and the more passive nurse sharks. and when I see them swimming around I back off, I guess it is different when it is a 12 foot tiger shark but I guess I just don't like seeing sharks or other fish get killed, like that guy who killed the huge hammerhead shark so he could get a picture with it.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
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I'm not trying to be, I've done my share of diving and have come into contact with spinner sharks, sandbar sharks, and the more passive nurse sharks. and when I see them swimming around I back off, I guess it is different when it is a 12 foot tiger shark but I guess I just don't like seeing sharks or other fish get killed, like that guy who killed the huge hammerhead shark so he could get a picture with it.
a tiger shark is a very different animal than a nurse shark. you can almost be assured that a tiger shark will see you long before you see him. if a tiger shark is within 10 feet of you, it's because HE chose to be, not because you chose to be that close to him. so I'd say turning and swimming away at that point would be kind of silly.
 
cleve_seahorse

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On one hand I agree , It did look very curious about the divers , but on the other he had time to tell the others to get on the boat??? not him , or the camera man???? It looked like over kill.....And I was looking at a black tipped reef shark [ light grey fin , black top ] off st .petes ,fla ,1976 at 6 years old , 3 ft away , shark bell ringing , just learned to swim so I'm sure I was flopping around....so I have a VERY big fear of large sharks....But I'm still here and it could have taken a chunk like we eat chips....That was a sad shot in that video, 3 lines in him , around the gills , shark vertical etc.....that said from a girl who looked a shark in his eyes....I still have nightmares, as that fin was huge [ I was only 6] [[shuddering]]
 
salt life

salt life

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2986788
a tiger shark is a very different animal than a nurse shark. you can almost be assured that a tiger shark will see you long before you see him. if a tiger shark is within 10 feet of you, it's because HE chose to be, not because you chose to be that close to him. so I'd say turning and swimming away at that point would be kind of silly.
I listed 2 other types of shark and you point out that I said nurse shark? I know it is way different that is why I said "and the more passive"
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/2986805
I listed 2 other types of shark and you point out that I said nurse shark? I know it is way different that is why I said "and the more passive"
a tiger shark is different than a sandbar shark and a spinner shark too. tiger sharks are known to be very aggressive. and they are close to twice as big as any of the sharks you named. I'd like my chances with hand to snout contact with a 6 ft sandbar shark instead of an 11 ft tiger shark anyday.
 
lovethesea

lovethesea

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/2986802
Just unfortunate that it had to be killed, that is all I'm trying to get at I guess.

yep, very..but they stated the very same thing. They were not there to kill something. They have logged many many hours of diving (without tanks I might add) and nothing has ever happened like this. They have always prepared, but this was their first.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Those of you saying their action was wrong, need to reexamine the situation. Let's put it in a different percpective. You are out camping....a mountain lion walks into your camp staring at you and getting closer and closer....are you seriously going to sit there?
Now, the woods are the equivalent to the ocean...to use the excuse we invade their territory is an excuse to place blame on the species that has the ability to rationalize situations.
I mean seriously, if every insance is the human's fault for invading the "environment" the creature lives in...tell me exactly where we can go.....
I don't get the mentality either that it is unfortunate the tiger shark was killed....The Tiger shark may have ran into a Mako shark and been killed as well, is this unfortunate? No it is the natural order of things. Except in this case the human was lower on the food chain and normally does not win this battle. You call it unfortunate, I call it a miracle..and lucky.
Saying it is unfortunate the shark died is the equivalent to saying it is unfortunate the man lived. There was no choice here...one or the other.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2986131
Tough issue here. In the video it's clear that a potential man-eating, large shark approached the diver. Difficult to say what the shark's intentions were at that time. Even if it was just curious, sharks often inspect things by biting at them. And then if there is an injured diver with blood in the water then it's a whole different ballgame.
Terrible story... I love sharks. But if you were in that situation, I think there's a chance that any of us may have done the same thing.

+1 Who could take a chance, that they might not get eaten. As for it is the fish’s home comment...If divers did not go into their territory we would have no knowledge of the ocean, and no saltwater fish tanks.
If we humans didn't kill sharks we wouldn't have Preparation H.
I love sharks too, at a distance and or on video. It all works out. Man vs. Fish, man should win.
If you eat lobster, or blue gill, trout, bass how can you be angry at a man who kills a fish that might eat him, when you are a fish killer too?
 
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