Shark reproduction

deltablack22

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
3. yes, we know that Assexual reproduction is uncommon in fish, but not imposiible specially in captivity.
If you put a bunch of man in captivity(prison) one or more of those man will eventually turn bi-sexual or homosexual. that's nothing new..
WTF??? Where do you get a bunch of dudes in prison being homosexual when talking about assexual reproduction. Thats gotta be the worst analogy I've ever heard in my entire life.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with reproduction.
Had to edit my post because I saw judd fighting the battle as well. I dont know how this guy thinks homosexual men in prison should be considered assexual... When you show me a Dateline story about guys in Leavenworth sprouting ovaries and having babies I'll back you 100% but until then you should probably take a trip and visit your high school biology teacher to catch up on old times...
 
team2jndd

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I am not questioning whether it can be done as much as I am questioning the theories that they use to back it. They are saying that it happens more often in captivity. How do they know if they can not monitor the ones in the wild. ALSO I guarentee that when a female is housed with a male in captivity they never do DNA tests to see if the baby was produced assexually or not. I just think that if they are going to pretend like they know why it is actually happening or how... they should take out the other variables first. As for religion... i'm not getting into it. To each his own you really can't have a wrong belief. I've yet to see a piece of proof supporting ANY religion and yet people fight wars over it because they are so sure that their god is the ony and only. If there was only one god... wouldn't he create the people of other religions as well?
 
deltablack22

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
As for religion... i'm not getting into it. To each his own you really can't have a wrong belief. I've yet to see a piece of proof supporting ANY religion and yet people fight wars over it because they are so sure that their god is the ony and only. If there was only one god... wouldn't he create the people of other religions as well?
You say your not getting into it yet you posed an open ended question at the end about religion...

I for one, am NOT getting into it...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by team2jndd
I just don't understand why sharks of all creatures would be reproducing asexually. Sharks are one of the oldest creatures on the planet. (if you believe in evolution which I am assuming you do not. Nor do I blame you for it) Asexual reproduction means that there would be absolutely no change from generation to generation. Sharks (if evolution is true) have been forced to evolve over the years to accomodate to the changes in climate and competition. If they were always producing asexually, evolution shouldn't have been possible. Also, if sharks only perform parthenogenesis in captivity, how can that ever be proven? AND if they were producing asexually, wouldn't the female shark population greatly outnumber that of the male population? Why would male sharks even exist? After a few billion years, shouldn't they have become useless and disappeared? Also, asexual reproduction hurts a species because of major diseases. Eliminating the breeding pool would also severely limit the antibodies to major/new diseases. If a mother doesn't have the antibodies to a disease, none of her offspring will either if she reproduces asexually. Therefore, a major disease would be far more catastrophic to that species. I don't understand why one of nature's oldest creatures would be digressing in evolutionary terms. You are right though, it is nice to disagree with somebody who can keep the conversation civilized. I am not questioning you I am just questioning the topic.
Ummm this shouldn't matter with evolution. According to evolution it should just mutate any ways.
As for mary, taking the Bible literally it says the holy spirit impregnated her. Not has got the
on. It said that he told her she was pregnant. Implying that she didn't know before hand. Also later it says that he was the Son of God, and man. Indicating that he wasn't just a copy of mary.
 
team2jndd

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
You say your not getting into it yet you posed an open ended question at the end about religion...

I for one, am NOT getting into it...
I am sorry but you have yet to offer anything to this thread... can you move on now?
 
aztec reef

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
WTF??? Where do you get a bunch of dudes in prison being homosexual when talking about assexual reproduction. Thats gotta be the worst analogy I've ever heard in my entire life.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with reproduction.
Had to edit my post because I saw judd fighting the battle as well. I dont know how this guy thinks homosexual men in prison should be considered assexual... When you show me a Dateline story about guys in Leavenworth sprouting ovaries and having babies I'll back you 100% but until then you should probably take a trip and visit your high school biology teacher to catch up on old times...

yeah, i have a response, What??
homosexuals CAN"T reproduce .NO way?? Assexual reproduction hasn't even been proven on human species.
i don't know what you're trying to say. See sometimes i have to use sarcastic analogies to get my point across , apperently . its not working . that's cool.
If you wanna chime in, then quote me on stuff that is worth my time, otherwise just kick back. Do you have anything to offer other than your childness?? i'm waiting
 
aztec reef

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
Ummm this shouldn't matter with evolution. According to evolution it should just mutate any ways.
As for mary, taking the Bible literally it says the holy spirit impregnated her. Not has got the
on. It said that he told her she was pregnant. Implying that she didn't know before hand. Also later it says that he was the Son of God, and man. Indicating that he wasn't just a copy of mary.

WHAT WOULD SCIENCE CALL THIS? what do we call it? a miracle? didmary define nature? did God do magic?
 
deltablack22

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
yeah, i have a response, What??
homosexuals CAN"T reproduce .NO way?? Assexual reproduction hasn't even been proven on human species.
i don't know what you're trying to say. See sometimes i have to use sarcastic analogies to get my point across , apperently . its not working . that's cool.
If you wanna chime in, then quote me on stuff that is worth my time, otherwise just kick back. Do you have anything to offer other than your childness?? i'm waiting

Yeah I'll move on and let you two wallow in your ignorance... Neither one of you have had much intelligent to say - you both contradict yourselves and I want no part of it. When you make an analogy its supposed to better explain what you obviously had no idea about. Spreading misinformation seems to be the norm in this thread. Its making me feel dirty, I'm out.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
WHAT WOULD SCIENCE CALL THIS? what do we call it? a miracle? didmary define nature? did God do magic?
I'm saying according to the bible, taken literally, If he could form man out of dirt, make woman from a man's rib, create the universe, then impregnated someone wouldn't be that big of a deal. And no mary didn't defy nature, God may have.
If we were to accept that mary had a child without intercourse, then we should probably accept the other part of it that says that God did it. For arguments sake.
 
deltablack22

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Ok physicist ,tell me how the EARTH and all our planets and galaxis were formed???

GOD MADE THEM
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Yeah I'll move on and let you two wallow in your ignorance... Neither one of you have had much intelligent to say - you both contradict yourselves and I want no part of it. When you make an analogy its supposed to better explain what you obviously had no idea about. Spreading misinformation seems to be the norm in this thread. Its making me feel dirty, I'm out.
A R is just taking the position of devils advocate. We are really arguing about nothing serious.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Ok physicist ,tell me how the EARTH and all our planets and galaxis were formed???
I do think in 500 years they are going to look back and laugh at us saying can you believe they most people believed in evolution. Just like we look back and laugh at people for thinking the world was flat or geocentricity.
 
deltablack22

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Until science can prove otherwise, yes... It is intelligent. Especially when it cant be disproven and I sure as hell dont buy the big bang theory. When you can make matter out of nothing at all and turn rocks into humans I'll pay attention. But until then you have nothing for me.
 
seasalt101

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Until science can prove otherwise, yes... It is intelligent. Especially when it cant be disproven and I sure as hell dont buy the big bang theory. When you can make matter out of nothing at all and turn rocks into humans I'll pay attention. But until then you have nothing for me.
agreed totally...tobin
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Until science can prove otherwise, yes... It is intelligent. Especially when it cant be disproven and I sure as hell dont buy the big bang theory. When you can make matter out of nothing at all and turn rocks into humans I'll pay attention. But until then you have nothing for me.
Well you know evolution also cannot be disproven. It would take millions of years.
 
stdreb27

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It would seem to me, that the black hole is the evolutionary god. It would take some faith to believe that there is a black hole. Something yet to be proven. And that out of it came all life.
 
stdreb27

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Tobin, you done any shooting lately? Are you guys flooding out too? We have had so much rain this last month.
 
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