Shark reproduction

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Tobin, you done any shooting lately? Are you guys flooding out too? We have had so much rain this last month.
no rain here has only been unseasonably higher nothing dramatic we are in the dry part usually only 6-8in. or so i think we are around 12-15 this year no i haven't been shooting in years, but last time i was still hittin the middle's...tobin

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Well you know evolution also cannot be disproven. It would take millions of years.

Ive got time...

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Until science can prove otherwise, yes... It is intelligent. Especially when it cant be disproven and I sure as hell dont buy the big bang theory. When you can make matter out of nothing at all and turn rocks into humans I'll pay attention. But until then you have nothing for me.
When you can PROVE that the earth was simply a cause of evolution than i'll pay attention to your Nonsense. At least i have something to back up my theories, what do you have? Nothing. i would love to have an explanation on how earth is the ONLY planet that can support Human & animal species?? and how earth ended up in the perfect place. so that the Sun (another creation of God) would orbit just right. Not to Hot and NOT to Cold.. Until scientists discover life as perfect as EARTH in another planet then i'll believe your Nonsense..

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
When you can PROVE that the earth was simply a cause of evolution than i'll pay attention to your Nonsense. At least i have something to back up my theories, what do you have? Nothing. i would love to have an explanation on how earth is the ONLY planet that can support Human & animal species?? and how earth ended up in the perfect place. so that the Sun (another creation of God) would orbit just right. Not to Hot and NOT to Cold.. Until scientists discover life as perfect as EARTH in another planet then i'll believe your Nonsense..

Im not sure your really paying attention here Aztec, so I'll break it down barney style like we do for boots in the Corps... I said that God created the heavens AND the earth. I made no mention of evolution being a part of that creation. I do NOT believe that God had anything to do with a big bang or an evolutionary process. I am a believer in the young earth theory. Call it what you will and criticize as you must but if you dont know what I am talking about you can look it up online - its actually very intriguing subjuct material. Your posts are contiunally contradicting themselves here... Are you trying to illicit a particular response from me, or are you just chasing your tail here?

 

[team2jndd]

Delta this is a conversation not an arguement. You can say your point without being so abrasive. The thread will end up getting closed. Nobody knows the answers that is the point of having an intelligent conversation. If your ego can't take somebody disagreeing with you than find another thread. Or at the very least, put your responses in PM form to avoid yet another good thread getting locked.

 

[stdreb27]

We are just discussing, not trying to fight at all, and we know we won't dissuade anyone from their particular believe structure. But please play nice.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
Delta this is a conversation not an arguement. You can say your point without being so abrasive. The thread will end up getting closed. Nobody knows the answers that is the point of having an intelligent conversation. If your ego can't take somebody disagreeing with you than find another thread. Or at the very least, put your responses in PM form to avoid yet another good thread getting locked.
I didnt think I was coming off any more abrasive than other posters, but I suppose I'll watch how I word my responses... Ego wasnt the issue, I was more frustrated by how strange aztecs responses were. One minute he/she was backing evolution and mocking my comment of creation. The next he/she was coming at me as if I was backing the evolution theory. It just didnt make sense.

 

[team2jndd]

It is easy to misunderstand somebody's tone when reading their response so if that was the case I am sorry.

 

[deltablack22]

I hear ya, its no big deal...

 

[rabbit_72]

I am no biologist or any other ologist, but I believe that..." Life will find a way!" So, if there wasn't a male shark involved, then life took matters in her own hands and created a wee baby shark.
JMHO, of course.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Im not sure your really paying attention here Aztec, so I'll break it down barney style like we do for boots in the Corps... I said that God created the heavens AND the earth. I made no mention of evolution being a part of that creation. I do NOT believe that God had anything to do with a big bang or an evolutionary process. I am a believer in the young earth theory. Call it what you will and criticize as you must but if you dont know what I am talking about you can look it up online - its actually very intriguing subjuct material. Your posts are contiunally contradicting themselves here... Are you trying to illicit a particular response from me, or are you just chasing your tail here?
Let me get this straight.. So you're saying that God is capable of creating the heavens and the earth yet he's not capable of making Man out of dirt, or able to do the Big Bang theory. You really think this is a new world??? i'm trying to see if You even know what you're saying..I don't contradict my self, the fact that you are quick to jump into conclusions makes me think your being delirious..I done plenty of research, it's my job. But thanks for the offer..You don't think is kind of odd how out of all the planets, EARTH is the ONLY one that can host us Humans and Animals???? that's some Magical Meteorite

. since Earth is the only planet with borders of land adjacent to bodies of water because it is the only planet where liquid water is stable at the surface. Seas are important because water has been the catalyst for the development of life on our planet.
Geez i wonder if in the Future Mars will become A planet like EARTH..maybe that's Gods plans for the Heavens. that just poped in my mind.(don't take it literally). But since its the closest identically planet to planet Earth, why not ??

 

[team2jndd]

ANYWAYS.... how bout dem sharks ey???

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
I am not questioning whether it can be done as much as I am questioning the theories that they use to back it. They are saying that it happens more often in captivity. How do they know if they can not monitor the ones in the wild. ALSO I guarentee that when a female is housed with a male in captivity they never do DNA tests to see if the baby was produced assexually or not. I just think that if they are going to pretend like they know why it is actually happening or how... they should take out the other variables first.
Your right, they Don't know, and probably will never know. I think they say it happends in captivity cause that's the only way to be monitored,discovered or tested, it's almost impossible for this to be recorded in the Ocean and that's if it even happends in the wild. The ONLY way to find out if this is really Thruth is by getting more of this cases and comparing them and having tons of preliminary tests. then we'll know. Scientists believe in physical proof, just like in court, they don't go by, he said/she said.. I also like to see scientists disprove the few cases of assexual Reproduction.. and an Explanation and more proof how a female shark Can produce without sperm/male DNA scientifically...Until that happends,we can ONLY speculate.

 

[deltablack22]

Let me get this straight.. So you're saying that God is capable of creating the heavens and the earth
YES
yet he's not capable of making Man out of dirt, or able to do the Big Bang theory.
NEVER SAID THAT, JUST DONT BELIEVE THATS HOW IT WENT DOWN.
You really think this is a new world???
YES
i'm trying to see if You even know what you're saying..I don't contradict my self, the fact that you are quick to jump into conclusions makes me think your being delirious..I done plenty of research, it's my job. But thanks for the offer..You don't think is kind of odd how out of all the planets, EARTH is the ONLY one that can host us Humans and Animals???? that's some Magical Meteorite

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I WOULDNT SAY ITS ODD, BUT I WOULD SAY THATS HOW GOD INTENDED IT.
since Earth is the only planet with borders of land adjacent to bodies of water because it is the only planet where liquid water is stable at the surface. Seas are important because water has been the catalyst for the development of life on our planet.
I WOULD AGREE HERE DEPENDING ON YOUR DEFINITION OF "DEVELOPMENT". IF YOU ARE SAYING IT WAS THE BUILDING BLOCK OF MACRO EVOLUTION, THEN OBVIOUSLY NOT BELIVING IN EVOLUTION I WOULD DISAGREE.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Your right, they Don't know, and probably will never know. I think they say it happends in captivity cause that's the only way to be monitored,discovered or tested, it's almost impossible for this to be recorded in the Ocean and that's if it even happends in the wild. The ONLY way to find out if this is really Thruth is by getting more of this cases and comparing them and having tons of preliminary tests. then we'll know. Scientists believe in physical proof, just like in court, they don't go by, he said/she said.. I also like to see scientists disprove the few cases of assexual Reproduction.. and an Explanation and more proof how a female shark Can produce without sperm/male DNA scientifically...Until that happends,we can ONLY speculate.
In an attempt at getting this thread back on topic (which I presume will fail miserably with the cans of worms already opened)...
I didnt read the shark article at all but has the possibility of viable sperm lasting long after a male shark has been removed been explored? If I remember correctly cant mollies/guppies/etc etc produce offspring in this manner?
Not sure if she actually had contact with a male at all, just a thought...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
In an attempt at getting this thread back on topic (which I presume will fail miserably with the cans of worms already opened)...
I didnt read the shark article at all but has the possibility of viable sperm lasting long after a male shark has been removed been explored? If I remember correctly cant mollies/guppies/etc etc produce offspring in this manner?
Not sure if she actually had contact with a male at all, just a thought...
according to the article, and the biologists they interviewed, they proposed assexual or a hybrid between two different types of sharks.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Let me get this straight.. So you're saying that God is capable of creating the heavens and the earth
YES
yet he's not capable of making Man out of dirt, or able to do the Big Bang theory.
NEVER SAID THAT, JUST DONT BELIEVE THATS HOW IT WENT DOWN.
You really think this is a new world???
YES
i'm trying to see if You even know what you're saying..I don't contradict my self, the fact that you are quick to jump into conclusions makes me think your being delirious..I done plenty of research, it's my job. But thanks for the offer..You don't think is kind of odd how out of all the planets, EARTH is the ONLY one that can host us Humans and Animals???? that's some Magical Meteorite

.
I WOULDNT SAY ITS ODD, BUT I WOULD SAY THATS HOW GOD INTENDED IT.
since Earth is the only planet with borders of land adjacent to bodies of water because it is the only planet where liquid water is stable at the surface. Seas are important because water has been the catalyst for the development of life on our planet.
I WOULD AGREE HERE DEPENDING ON YOUR DEFINITION OF "DEVELOPMENT". IF YOU ARE SAYING IT WAS THE BUILDING BLOCK OF MACRO EVOLUTION, THEN OBVIOUSLY NOT BELIVING IN EVOLUTION I WOULD DISAGREE.
I was reading I don't remember where probably a link off of drudge, were some scientist proposed that we look for other extra terrestials using different definitions. He proposed that it may be possible for a living creature to not be based in water but possibly ammonia and he named a few others. But it was interesting.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
I WOULD AGREE HERE DEPENDING ON YOUR DEFINITION OF "DEVELOPMENT". IF YOU ARE SAYING IT WAS THE BUILDING BLOCK OF MACRO EVOLUTION, THEN OBVIOUSLY NOT BELIVING IN EVOLUTION I WOULD DISAGREE.
hold on, i got something left to say to this..
What i mean is that life needs water, without water there's NO life. Earth is the ONLY planet capable of holding this much. EARTH its 71% h20. that why life is so adverse here.. Water is extremelly important to any life even plants. Also The heat capacity of the oceans is also very important in keeping the Earth's temperature relatively stable. Liquid water is also responsible for most of the erosion and weathering of the Earth's continents, a process unique in the solar system as of today..

 

[team2jndd]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
hold on, i got something left to say to this..
What i mean is that life needs water, without water there's NO life. Earth is the ONLY planet capable of holding this much. EARTH its 71% h20. that why life is so adverse here.. Water is extremelly important to any life even plants. Also The heat capacity of the oceans is also very important in keeping the Earth's temperature relatively stable. Liquid water is also responsible for most of the erosion and weathering of the Earth's continents, a process unique in the solar system as of today..

Different thread different time perhaps? If somebody starts one maybe i'll meet you over there. As for the stored sperm idea I already proposed that and got shut down. What I would like to see is a shark that is born in captivity, kept alone from birth and THEN have it reproduce asexually. Until I see that I say no go. Too many variables. Who's to say the shark wasn't insemenated just for publicity???

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
Different thread different time perhaps? If somebody starts one maybe i'll meet you over there. As for the stored sperm idea I already proposed that and got shut down. What I would like to see is a shark that is born in captivity, kept alone from birth and THEN have it reproduce asexually. Until I see that I say no go. Too many variables. Who's to say the shark wasn't insemenated just for publicity???
I probably should've read all of the earlier posts... I didn't know you had already posed this. I think the controlled experiment would be the only way to prove this as well.

As for Aztec's comments on water - I think it was pretty accurate describing life as we know it today.