sharks

[moraymike]

Originally Posted by ophiura
I would agree that a 125 would be fine for perhaps 2 years for a bamboo shark.
But I do not always think it best for people to knowingly buy things that they can't keep long term with the assumption that they can always find a way to get rid of it. I think that is where things get sketchy. So if you understand when you but something that it will go somewhere else, and can, at a minimum, agree with the LFS to take it back then that is something to pursue. But there are a few too many people who buy things with some vague idea that they can trade it in to the local aquarium or something, or release it somewhere, or just hold onto it longer. I know the LAST thing we needed were more bamboo sharks. LOL. Rabbits. Anyway, that can be a bit worrisome, IMO, and perhaps what angelsrock may have been considering. It is the "stay within your limits" approach and its a valid philosophy.

Yeah, okay... there's not much to argue with there... However, we aren't talking about finding a home for 11 ft. nurse shark. I think that a couple of years is plenty of time to find a home for a bamboo. Go back and look at jcrim's original reply. Nothing but good advice... Now, look at the responses that he got. Nothing to be gained by reading that stuff. The question was can michellej put a couple sharks in a 125... the answer is still yes.

 

[ophiura]

OK, lets agree that people have different philosophies here. I don't think anyone in this thread is purposely out to harm animals just for the sake of having one. Its come up, yes it has, LOL...but I think this is mostly a misunderstanding and different views. If we have disagreements we can discuss them but not let's not revert to pretty low blows. Otay? Maybe?

 

[angelsrock]

Originally Posted by MorayMike
Yeah, okay... there's not much to argue with there... However, we aren't talking about finding a home for 11 ft. nurse shark. I think that a couple of years is plenty of time to find a home for a bamboo. Go back and look at jcrim's original reply. Nothing but good advice... Now, look at the responses that he got. Nothing to be gained by reading that stuff. The question was can michellej put a couple sharks in a 125... the answer is still yes.
no it's not still yes. the answer should always be no. ok you tell me this if someone on here asked if they could put a naso tang and a lets say sailfin tang you know everyone on this board would say you definitely cannot because of the size they get. then your talkin about not only one but 2 sharks that reach a size of 4 feet which is almost 3 times the size of either of those tangs.

 

[guineawhop]

Originally Posted by angelsrock
no it's not still yes. the answer should always be no. ok you tell me this if someone on here asked if they could put a naso tang and a lets say sailfin tang you know everyone on this board would say you definitely cannot because of the size they get. then your talkin about not only one but 2 sharks that reach a size of 4 feet which is almost 3 times the size of either of those tangs.
i agree except people would also say that they shouldn't be put together anyways, but that was not your point.

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by MorayMike
Yeah, okay... there's not much to argue with there... However, we aren't talking about finding a home for 11 ft. nurse shark. I think that a couple of years is plenty of time to find a home for a bamboo. Go back and look at jcrim's original reply. Nothing but good advice... Now, look at the responses that he got. Nothing to be gained by reading that stuff. The question was can michellej put a couple sharks in a 125... the answer is still yes.
And I agree with everything he said. And others are entitled to not agree with what was said. This discussion, IMO turned unecessarily personal in there, on both sides, and took a spiral for sure.
As a general comment here- I don't think anyone is advocating putting, as mentioned, a nurse shark in this tank...or even (nixed from the outset) active sharks. There are some who would do that without issue and because its cool. People here are generally concerned about the animals. I hope people can appreciate how to disagree and even argue without being disrespectful.
And FWIW, I think it is easier to feed some of these little guys in even smaller systems - far smaller systems - and have cared for them in far smaller systems without issue. :yes: Not long term, no, but for the first several months for sure.

 

[moraymike]

Originally Posted by ophiura
And I agree with everything he said. And others are entitled to not agree with what was said. This discussion, IMO turned unecessarily personal in there, on both sides, and took a spiral for sure.
As a general comment here- I don't think anyone is advocating putting, as mentioned, a nurse shark in this tank...or even (nixed from the outset) active sharks. There are some who would do that without issue and because its cool. People here are generally concerned about the animals. I hope people can appreciate how to disagree and even argue without being disrespectful.
And FWIW, I think it is easier to feed some of these little guys in even smaller systems - far smaller systems - and have cared for them in far smaller systems without issue. :yes: Not long term, no, but for the first several months for sure.
Absolutely, there should be more tolerance for opinions here... In fact, this board desperately needs more tolerance. Everyone time someone says something, they shouldn't be afraid that the shark police (or tang police, moorish idol police... take your pick) are going to bust in with their badges and proclaim that it can't or shouldn't be done. It's great that folks are so passionate about the well-being of captive marine life. It really is... In my opinion, we need experienced hobbyist to keep rookies from going off the deep end (no nurse sharks in 55 gallon tanks). With respect to the personal issue, I certainly do not take things personally, nor do I intend to disrespect anyone else.

Now, I do believe that some accusing a fellow forum member (who gave legitimate husbandry advice and has experience keeping sharks - that does not conflict with Scott Michael's info - of being ridiculous is uncalled for. Having said that, I believe that jcrim handled that well. I think that this forum is intended to be a positive place for hobbyist to be enthusiastic about our hobby. All this business of you can't do this and that doesn't help anyone. I saw that Moorish discussion. It was sickening... fins were flying all over the place.
I've know someone that hatched bamboos in 110 gallon tank. Well before they outgrew the tank, he found suitable homes for them. Just my opinion here, but I don't see anything that is inherently evil or inappropriate with that. If someone thinks it's wrong, fine that's their opinion. The question was can it be done. The answer is still yes. Now can you keep a blue whale in a 125? No. The facts are that are entire hobby is based on maintaining marine life in an artificial environment. Sorry, but nobody has a tank that truly mirrors the conditions in the ocean. We do the best that we can with what we have. So, let's not look down our noses at someone that's keeping something or doing something that we wouldn't do. Would I keep a bamboo in a 125? No, but that doesn't make it wrong. Heck, Scott Michael says that the minimum tank size for a queen angelfish is a 180 gallon. Now, I wouldn't keep an angel like that in anything less that a 300 gallon tank. Does that make it wrong for someone to put one in a 150 gallon tank? No. There aren't any legitimate prescriptive rules for this hobby... just people's opinions.

 

[snailheave]

i don't think the original poser cares anymore.

 

[exile415]

:sleepy: when they post, aren't they either looking for an answer, or just showing they're tank..

 

[jcrim]

All this continued discussion and unfortunately I've been offline since yesterday morning. I appreciate all opinions on this subject that greatly interests me. MorayMike makes a good point about people with little to no experience coming in here and repeating the "company line". We should all understand that each of our tanks, to a degree, are experiments. Each fish we buy is an experiment. Obviously there are standards for certain species and the differing opinions often arise in borderline type situations.
On a side note, I definitely meant no disrespect to Angelsrock with my comments... just having a little fun here. These boards are for entertainment, right?
I just hope everyone here can keep what we're doing in perspective. Most of us value experience on this board. Unfortunately, anyone with fishkeeping experience has definitely lost fish during their time. Personally, I value those individuals' opinions more than the beginners who simply repeat what they've read here. :happy: :happy: