Should Govt. intervene with airline baggage policies?

al mc

Active Member
Keep the government out of it.
Whenever my family has a 'planned' trip we UPS or FedEx the bulk of our clothing to our destination 5-7 days before we go. Saves lots of money, we can then go 'carry on only and save time since we do not have to check bags, and we have not had any of our stuff lost...had lchecked luggage misplaced several times before we started shipping the stuff fed ex/ups.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3084561
My wife understands the rules.
It's worth noting here that regardless of what we call this, it's not the airlines rules, it's the FAA/TSA's rules. Airlines don't have any say in airport security procedures.
Perhaps, but you don't exactly see a worker on the tarmac sticking a credit card into the fuel truck. Airlines negotiate and contract prices over long terms, what the airlines pay is not necessarily what the fuel costs that day.
Then why are you complaining? If you pay less with airlines that charge all these evil fees, where is the argument? I didn't quote this comment, but I've never flown southwest so I don't know what the seating game is.
Again, not necessarily, because if they locked in their prices at a lower rate, why wouldn't they charge less to get an edge on the competition? I'll take a guess... because in your mind, airlines are just another bunch big evil corporatations who are all in collusion to shaft the American Public out of their money and keep airfares artificially high. There is no such thing as competition and free market, and the only solution to dealing with this problem is more laws, more government, more regulation, more nationalization, more hope, and more change there I said it!

Southwest's 'seating game' is they do not reserve seats. It's first come. first serve. Until recently, whoever was first in line at the gate got on the plane first and picked whatever seat was available. So you had to get to the gate about an 1 1/2 before your flight departed, and stood in line. If you didn't, and you got stuck in the back of the line, you were riding middle seat. At least now, they allow you to 'reserve' a spot in line. They board people in groups of 50. You can reserve your spot online 24 hours before departure.
I understand free enterprise. I know why the airlines charge like they do. The only thing that bothers me about the baggage is they never charged for it since the inception of commercial flying. Then last year fuel prices doubled, so they had to come up with inventive ways just to stay afloat. The only thing I'd like to see is they start removing some of these excessive charges once they become profitable again (if that ever happens). The problem is, they won't. It's an easy way to make a profit, and they know it's a convenience travelers cannot live without.
Now when I travel for business or pleasure, I play the game. Instead of taking four pairs of slacks for a 4 day business trip, I take two and coordinate two shirts with each pair. On pleasure trips I just take a pair of blue jeans and wing it. Most hotels provide all the toiletries I need, so I don't even pack those anymore. If they don't have them, I just run over to the local Walmart and buy the cheap stuff and leave it in the hotel room when I check out.
What will suck is when they hit you up for the carry-on's. The first move is they'll only allow either a laptop/purse, or a small carry-on bag, but not both. If you want to take your laptop or a second small bag that will fit under your seat, you'll be out of luck. The next step will be the charge for even one bag coming on the plane. The next move? They'll make each passenger stand on a scale when checking in, and charge you a 'weight fee' for every pound over the BMI Index for your height, age, and build.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/3084583
Keep the government out of it.
Whenever my family has a 'planned' trip we UPS or FedEx the bulk of our clothing to our destination 5-7 days before we go. Saves lots of money, we can then go 'carry on only and save time since we do not have to check bags, and we have not had any of our stuff lost...had lchecked luggage misplaced several times before we started shipping the stuff fed ex/ups.

What the roundtrip cost difference between shipping it UPS/FedEx, and throwing it on the plane and paying the baggage fees? Do the hotels accept the UPS shipments from you, or are these 'planned' trips to see relatives?
 

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3084584
The only thing I'd like to see is they start removing some of these excessive charges once they become profitable again (if that ever happens). The problem is, they won't. It's an easy way to make a profit, and they know it's a convenience travelers cannot live without.
If you readily admit that airlines are not currently profitable and are trying to be, then isn't it a little soon to be calling for an end to these fees?
If airlines aren't profitable, they have to charge to be. Seems to me that consumer choice can drive this. What we've seen from our discussions here is that southwest is a viable choice for many, but you'll pay a bit more for your ticket. Other airlines are other choices, but you may pay more for ala-carte options. They are all doing what works for them, and we are flying with who works for us.
What we aren't doing enough of - if we are truly angry at these prices - is travel using alternative options. Instead of planes... more trains or automobiles. Frankly with the hassle I have driving 90 minutes to get to the Atlanta airport 2 hours before my flight to get through security... I try to drive whenever possible, especially since I can take things with me that are hard to take on planes like firearms and dogs. (and cosmetics
)
Now when I travel for business or pleasure, I play the game. Instead of taking four pairs of slacks for a 4 day business trip, I take two and coordinate two shirts with each pair. On pleasure trips I just take a pair of blue jeans and wing it. Most hotels provide all the toiletries I need, so I don't even pack those anymore. If they don't have them, I just run over to the local Walmart and buy the cheap stuff and leave it in the hotel room when I check out.
The system works!
What will suck is when they hit you up for the carry-on's. The first move is they'll only allow either a laptop/purse, or a small carry-on bag, but not both. If you want to take your laptop or a second small bag that will fit under your seat, you'll be out of luck. The next step will be the charge for even one bag coming on the plane. The next move? They'll make each passenger stand on a scale when checking in, and charge you a 'weight fee' for every pound over the BMI Index for your height, age, and build.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves...
But still... right now, the fees are manageable with creative packing as we've all seen. Once it gets to the point where fees are truly totally unavoidable, we'll see quick turn back to flat rate tickets.
BTW... if they start charging by weight it'll all work itself out. By the time I take 3 flights me and my tubbiness will hoist the industry into the black.
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3084589
What the roundtrip cost difference between shipping it UPS/FedEx, and throwing it on the plane and paying the baggage fees? Do the hotels accept the UPS shipments from you, or are these 'planned' trips to see relatives?
Works well. I called them 'planned' trips because you have to send the stuff UPS/Fed Ex ground to get the best price which you need to plan on the shipping 5-7 days in advancve of your arrival. Hotels will accept them and/or you can ship them to a UPS location close to your destination and have them hold them till you pick them up. Just last month we went to a dude ranch in Wyoming and the cost of an 18" x 18" x 24" box of clothing that weighed 65# was about $45 each way.
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3084589
What the roundtrip cost difference between shipping it UPS/FedEx, and throwing it on the plane and paying the baggage fees? Do the hotels accept the UPS shipments from you, or are these 'planned' trips to see relatives?

***Also, for me it is not just about the cost savings*** It is about time in lines at the airport. My family can print up boarding passes the night before a flight and bypass the 'check-in' lines. In the Philadelphia airport this saves me having to lug around all the extra luggage and spending 30+ minutes in the 'check-in' line. We go directly to our gate.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/3084613
Works well. I called them 'planned' trips because you have to send the stuff UPS/Fed Ex ground to get the best price which you need to plan on the shipping 5-7 days in advancve of your arrival. Hotels will accept them and/or you can ship them to a UPS location close to your destination and have them hold them till you pick them up. Just last month we went to a dude ranch in Wyoming and the cost of an 18" x 18" x 24" box of clothing that weighed 65# was about $45 each way.
Thanks for the info. I looked at this option when we went on our ski trip, but the cost alone to ship our skis wasn't worth it. I'll have to compare the costs on our nect trip.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3084600
BTW... if they start charging by weight it'll all work itself out. By the time I take 3 flights me and my tubbiness will hoist the industry into the black.
They sort of already do that. Most airlines have policies requiring huge people to purchase one seat for each cheek...
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3084600
If you readily admit that airlines are not currently profitable and are trying to be, then isn't it a little soon to be calling for an end to these fees?
If airlines aren't profitable, they have to charge to be. Seems to me that consumer choice can drive this. What we've seen from our discussions here is that southwest is a viable choice for many, but you'll pay a bit more for your ticket. Other airlines are other choices, but you may pay more for ala-carte options. They are all doing what works for them, and we are flying with who works for us.
What we aren't doing enough of - if we are truly angry at these prices - is travel using alternative options. Instead of planes... more trains or automobiles. Frankly with the hassle I have driving 90 minutes to get to the Atlanta airport 2 hours before my flight to get through security... I try to drive whenever possible, especially since I can take things with me that are hard to take on planes like firearms and dogs. (and cosmetics
)
The system works!
Let's not get ahead of ourselves...
But still... right now, the fees are manageable with creative packing as we've all seen. Once it gets to the point where fees are truly totally unavoidable, we'll see quick turn back to flat rate tickets.
BTW... if they start charging by weight it'll all work itself out. By the time I take 3 flights me and my tubbiness will hoist the industry into the black.
I wouldn't mind doing more Griswald trips by car. The problem is my location. It takes me 6 - 10 hours just to get out of Texas, depending which direction I go. A trip to Orlando is 18, a trip to Wyoming or the Northeast is a 2-day trip. Same for California or Utah. If I wanted to go skiing in Colorado, I'd have to tack on 2 to 4 days of vacation just for travel alone. Not to mention you're burned out when you get there, and burned out when you get back from all the driving. I looked into Amtrak once to go to California, and it was 3 days to go one direction. The cost was as much, if not more, than a plane ticket. And you can forget Greyhound. Talk about a nightmare trip...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3084631
I wouldn't mind doing more Griswald trips by car. The problem is my location. It takes me 6 - 10 hours just to get out of Texas, depending which direction I go. A trip to Orlando is 18, a trip to Wyoming or the Northeast is a 2-day trip. Same for California or Utah. If I wanted to go skiing in Colorado, I'd have to tack on 2 to 4 days of vacation just for travel alone. Not to mention you're burned out when you get there, and burned out when you get back from all the driving. I looked into Amtrak once to go to California, and it was 3 days to go one direction. The cost was as much, if not more, than a plane ticket. And you can forget Greyhound. Talk about a nightmare trip...
There is your problem, you're trying to leave texas.

Look the simple fact is the fees are going to get worse. When a barrel of oil was 50-70 dollars a barrel, they were losing money. So this time around they're figuring out ways to lower costs and increase revenue.
And people are just dumb enough to see the lower price and choose and not look into fees ect. And the people who do look will be ticked.
What they really need to do is do this with taxes...
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3084620
Thanks for the info. I looked at this option when we went on our ski trip, but the cost alone to ship our skis wasn't worth it. I'll have to compare the costs on our nect trip.
Next time Ski Colorado. I live about 2 miles south of interstate 70 leaving Denver International. Ground ship your equipment to my place, rent a SUV stop by on your way from the airport to the resort and we can have a beer
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Based on SCSI's response to the Northwest thread, this thread should be closed because it's offensive to those poor defenseless airline companies.
 

greenreefer

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3084625
They sort of already do that. Most airlines have policies requiring huge people to purchase one seat for each cheek...
I've yet to see this happen and I fly regularly. Fat people won't like it but if you don't fit between the arm rests (not on top of the arm rests) then you should be charged for 2 seats. Its ridiculous when you get stuck siting next to someone that rolls over the arm rests. Flying isn't a right, if you can't control your size either purchase 2 seats or drive.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by GreenReefer
http:///forum/post/3085230
I've yet to see this happen and I fly regularly. Fat people won't like it but if you don't fit between the arm rests (not on top of the arm rests) then you should be charged for 2 seats. Its ridiculous when you get stuck siting next to someone that rolls over the arm rests. Flying isn't a right, if you can't control your size either purchase 2 seats or drive.
I am a widebody (recovering widebody
) and I agree with this. My condition is partially due to medical reasons but still there are ways to correct the situation. I also think people with disabilities that make it necessary to have more than one seat should have to buy an extra seat as well. In my case I would need a seat with a whole lot of leg room because my boogered up leg needs to be pretty much straight. Being 6'5" that isn't an easy trick so I choose not to fly since being injured.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3085448
I am a widebody (recovering widebody
) and I agree with this. My condition is partially due to medical reasons but still there are ways to correct the situation. I also think people with disabilities that make it necessary to have more than one seat should have to buy an extra seat as well. In my case I would need a seat with a whole lot of leg room because my boogered up leg needs to be pretty much straight. Being 6'5" that isn't an easy trick so I choose not to fly since being injured.

You need the seat next to the window by the wing emergency exit. Unfortunately, that's another luxury fee you have to pay to get that seat. Some airlines may give it to you for free because of your medical disability, otherwise it now costs an extra $10 - $20 to get that seat, and almost any aisle seat towards the front...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by GreenReefer
http:///forum/post/3085230
I've yet to see this happen and I fly regularly. Fat people won't like it but if you don't fit between the arm rests (not on top of the arm rests) then you should be charged for 2 seats. Its ridiculous when you get stuck siting next to someone that rolls over the arm rests. Flying isn't a right, if you can't control your size either purchase 2 seats or drive.
ahh I've seen it reported randomly in news articles, when the really large person makes a stink about it...
 
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