Slight Bump In Ammonia

apollobeachfl

apollobeachfl

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Saturday all test were perfect on a new 90 gallon setup. It has been setup for 3 1/2 weeks.
I added
Purple Lobster
Bubble Tip Anemone
Cleanup Crew consisting of
10 Hermits
4 Tubros
2 Cleaner Shrimp
Didn't add any fish yet.
Ammo just tested between .25 and .5
Trites .1
Trates 10
Sal 1.022
Since I don't have any fish in the tank as of yet should I be concerned. I have been feeding the Shrimp, Lobster and Anemone Mysis Shrimp so that could be the cause. Any assistance would be great.
Thanks
 
subielover

subielover

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I would be concerned for the anemone. Have you done research on them? They need a very established tank with very intense lighting. Reason that they need an established tank is for this reason, they do not do well with fluctuations especially with ammonia present in the tank. IMO, take the anemone back, it if FAR TOO EARLY for one. What kind of lighting do you have?
 
apollobeachfl

apollobeachfl

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I have a Power Compact that give plenty of light. I run it about 12 hours a day right now due to algie buildup. Once I get mre of a clean up crew I will run it longer. Right now the he looks like he is doing really well. Eats like a champ so I need to bring the ammonia and trites down. Everything else seems OK.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by ApolloBeachFL
http:///forum/post/2878114
I have a Power Compact that give plenty of light. I run it about 12 hours a day right now due to algie buildup. Once I get mre of a clean up crew I will run it longer. Right now the he looks like he is doing really well. Eats like a champ so I need to bring the ammonia and trites down. Everything else seems OK.
rofl... oxymoron, powercompact and plenty of light? hahahaha. wow... you threw all these animals in an uncycled tank...man.. good luck. how much liverock is in the tank? SG is way low for inverts.. you need it between 1.025-1.026.
Don't throw anymore cuc or anything in there till the cycle is over because chances are... everything in there right now is gonna die. Think next time before you buy a bunch of stuff..
 
apollobeachfl

apollobeachfl

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Rotary
Are you full of yourself or what. Looking at your profile you sure are "Quote - I'm my own hero" The readings that I had on Saturday told me that the tank was completely cycled. There is 80 lbs of LR 120 lbs of LS and 5 pounds of LR Rubble in my sump.
You really need to grow up or something. If you don't have anything nice to say just dont F*****G say it.
I have keeped Inverts in 1.021 for 8 years with no problem.
I was asking a simple question. Do me a favor and don't ever reply to any of my posts again. I have read some of the stuff that you have posted when others ask questions and you just go off. GROW UP
BTW: Thanks for the info Spanko
 
subielover

subielover

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You have been in saltwater 8 years, and added an anemone to an uncycled tank? Me thinks somethin doesn't add up...
Just wanted to add, that I hope everything works out ok for you and your tank.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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I feel sorry for everything that's died at the hands of 8 years of inexperience have fun with your perpetual cycle of costly mistakes.


p.s. why wouldn't I be my own hero? its much better than looking up to idiots with 8 years of inexperience. Also, grow up? Oh please... get a brain... you getting senile already?
 
apollobeachfl

apollobeachfl

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I use to think this was a good place to come for ADVICE but I can see that it has been taken over by a bunch of people that just think they know everything to know about this hobby and like to play GAMES. I said I had inverts but never did I say that I had an Anemone. YEA this was probably my bad to put it in a tank that had JUST FINISHED CYCLING (did I know this NO!!!!!!!) you guys are a piece of work.
I come here for advice not to be INSULTED by a bunch of S***HEADS that think they know everything.
BTW: To my knowledge when you run tests and everythng is ZERO the tank has been CYCLED. As I stated at the beginning of this post or did just everyone over look I stated "Saturday all test were perfect"
If you are not interested in assisting don't bother posting...................
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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If you get zeroed parameters really quickly, chances are the tank had not actually cycled.. I don't trust that a tank has cycled till the diatom bloom has hit and then the nitrates have zeroed back out. Its not a case of "knowing everything" like you put it, but trust me I did actually learn from mistakes during my 4 years in the hobby. Don't get mad because you're self conscious about getting schooled by a "22 year old shithead." It does not take a rocket scientist to tell you that you messed up early on. My advice is to get some waterchanges going and try to bandaid the ammonia with that and amquel or something. Are you taking SG readings with a hydrometer or refractometer?
 
apollobeachfl

apollobeachfl

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I am not worried about admitting that I screwed up but this is a quote from a forum listed on this site. Which tells me I was right on target. It took 3 1/2 weeks to get to this point.
"After nitrites have fallen to zero, nitrates will begin to rise. At this point the cycle is comeplete and algae will begin to grow. It is now time to add a clean up crew and do a water change. (which will be covered in detail at a later date)."
Now the Anemone on the other hand I did not research prior to adding him to the tank. If I had, maybe I wouldn't have placed him in the tank. It's a little late now and I have learned a lesson.
I have been through the diatom bloom and all readings were ZERO. This tells me the tank was cycled.
I just came here for advice from anyone that can assist I don't care it that person it 22, 14 or 110. I did not come here to just get jumped on right away and be insulted about my lights or anything else. And I damn sure didn't come here for an argument.
I plan on doing a 25 Gallon water change this afternoon after work and go from there.
BTW: I use a refract............
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by ApolloBeachFL
http:///forum/post/2878357
I am not worried about admitting that I screwed up but this is a quote from a forum listed on this site. Which tells me I was right on target. It took 3 1/2 weeks to get to this point.
"After nitrites have fallen to zero, nitrates will begin to rise. At this point the cycle is comeplete and algae will begin to grow. It is now time to add a clean up crew and do a water change. (which will be covered in detail at a later date)."
Now the Anemone on the other hand I did not research prior to adding him to the tank. If I had, maybe I wouldn't have placed him in the tank. It's a little late now and I have learned a lesson.
I have been through the diatom bloom and all readings were ZERO. This tells me the tank was cycled.
I just came here for advice from anyone that can assist I don't care it that person it 22, 14 or 110. I did not come here to just get jumped on right away and be insulted about my lights or anything else. And I damn sure didn't come here for an argument.
I plan on doing a 25 Gallon water change this afternoon after work and go from there.
BTW: I use a refract............
OK great... you use a refractometer.. yeah just try to keep ammonia and nitrites down and hopefully the tank cycles out of it quickly... If the anenome starts melting though, toss it... it nuke everything else. The water change will definitely help. I'd cut back on feeding or feed the same total amount but split up into several feeding sessions, you may also be overfeeding or the inhabitants might not be able to get to all the food you're tossing in.
If you're unable to get better lightly soon though, I'd probably sell that anenome so you can at least cash out without it dying and taking a complete loss.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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What ammonia test are you using? I really only feel confident in an odd reading if two different test kits verify it. Would strongly consider getting a full barrage of another manufacture's test kits just to be certain.
Agreed, keep the water changes up for now. Unfortunately one of the easiest ways to tell if an anemone is cooked, is smell. Take it and the rock it's on out of the water and give it a wiff, if it's dying/dead, should be one of the most unpleasant things you've ever smelt...
 
apollobeachfl

apollobeachfl

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I am using a Marine Lab test kit. I have a QT set up that is hopefully completely cycled I haven't tested it in a couple of days. If things get worse I might be able to move it over to the QT if the water quality is better.
Thanks for the advise on the smell. I will do that once I get off of work and keep sniffing til things get better.
Sorry about the rants I just wanted to get some advice and felt that I was being reemed. I just want to get things resolved.
It is possible that left over food is going uneaten. I try to get the food right in front of the Shrimp, Lobster and the Bubble Tip but some does make it to the bottom and I don't think there is enough of a clean up crew in there to get it all. I will add additional clean up crews in about 2 weeks then start adding fish if all goes well..............
Thanks to EVERYONE that includes you Rotary...................
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by ApolloBeachFL
http:///forum/post/2878415
I am using a Marine Lab test kit. I have a QT set up that is hopefully completely cycled I haven't tested it in a couple of days. If things get worse I might be able to move it over to the QT if the water quality is better.
Thanks for the advise on the smell. I will do that once I get off of work and keep sniffing til things get better.
Sorry about the rants I just wanted to get some advice and felt that I was being reemed. I just want to get things resolved.
It is possible that left over food is going uneaten. I try to get the food right in front of the Shrimp, Lobster and the Bubble Tip but some does make it to the bottom and I don't think there is enough of a clean up crew in there to get it all. I will add additional clean up crews in about 2 weeks then start adding fish if all goes well..............
Thanks to EVERYONE that includes you Rotary...................
I apologize for my childish remarks, but you gotta know that while your situation is not the worst of examples.. this happens alot... once again I'm sorry.. and don't worry you'll get through this situation in no time..
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Just a bit about cycling as well. I'm just guessing, but it seems like you 'soft cycled' as well? By that I mean there's two basic types of cycling. A soft or standard tank cycle is more or less just adding the sand, rock, etc and letting the levels come down. A 'hard cycle' evolves adding everything above to the tank, then traditionally ghost feeding or adding a large piece of something, like a table shrimp to the tank. This causes the ammonia/nitrite to build that much higher then a standard cycle, and after the tank adjusts, and levels come down, the tank is initially able to take on that much more of a load upfront.
I would only start worrying about the anemone if it looks to start taking a turn for the worst. Deflated, etc...
 
spanko

spanko

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Hmm.....Aqua
I though these were the things in the cycles you talk about.
Hard cycle.........Add rock, water, sand and an ammonia source if the rock has none. Then just let it go. Ammonia can go as high as it wants with no intervention form the hobbyist. In this scenario anything that is alive on the rock, hitch hikers etc, may or may not survive the ammonia spike.
Soft cycle.....Add rock, sand, and water and an ammonia source if the rock has none. Run skimmers, filters, do water changes if ammonia reaches .5. This type of cycle is designed to maintain as much life as possible by not letting the ammonia get to levels that will kill of life.
I followed a soft cycle tank on another site and you would not believe the amazing life the hobbyist had when completed. Granted the soft cycle takes longer but does preserve life.
That was my understanding of the two anyway.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Henry, that is probably a better/more accurate description of the ways aquarists cycle tanks. The problem is that in scenarios you add an ammonia source. I believe the far more popular way people "with a tank and some fish" do it, is just adding water, sand, and rock, then just giving it some time and start stocking a bit more slowly then normal. (Of course, probably not and they just drop a ton of fish in there, but the intent is to do it that way)
 
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