Snail being eaten by the hermit crabs

plp

New Member
Originally I purchased a reef package from this site. Slowly but surely I'm down to 1 turbo from 10. One day I saw a horde of hermits on the Nassarius Snails. Now I see several hermit crabs running around with their shells. I just bought some more snails. Immediately the crabs swarmed on the snails. I'm not sure how many are left. What can I do?

I think I need the snails to keep the algae down. Any ideas?
 

azfishgal

Active Member
This is exactly why I don't have my hermits in my display tank, they are down in my refuge. The snails are safe in my DT and they do a great job without the hermits.
 

plp

New Member
I bought 50 extra shells when i got the reef package.
If they are not compatible why would they sell them together? I guess live and learn.
I don't seem to have problems with the emerald, porcelin or anenome crab. Are they problems too?
 

azfishgal

Active Member
I have four emerald crabs in my 125 and no problems to date (almost a year). I've just been told when the emeralds get larger they can start eating the corals, but I havn't seen that happen yet.
 

njbeacher

Member
This is just a thought. Hermits get a bad rap for doing what they do. The snails may be dying/dead already and the hermits are just "cleaning up." I have a tank with 20ish hermits and 7-8 snails. They all live happily together. Been that way for a year and a half. I have even seen a snail dive into the middle of a feeding hermit pile and steal food away from the hermits without being attacked. I thought for sure there would be a massacre there. :)
 

rklgerm

New Member
recently got a hermit crab and anenome for my clown fish. after a 1/2 hour after feeding the anenome the hermit crab went in and took the shrimp from it and i think bit some of the anenome. are they okay to have in together? They were in the same tank at the fish store?
 

apos

Member
My hermits have not, to my knowledge, ever killed any of my snails. What they have done is eaten snails that were dying or dead. Most healthy snails can protect themselves against hermits by sealing up tight, and narsarius snails can move faster than hermits. And my hermits don't seem to care about snails until they start to get to the stink stage.
I once thought I caught a hermit eating a narsarrius snail, only to find that both the nar snail and the hermit were actually just snacking on another dead snail (who had been failing to move, stick to anything, or fully close its shell for some time).
That said, hermits are hermit CRABS. All crabs are opportunistic omnivores. They wont necessarily go out of their way for a fight provided they have food and shells available, but they can get feisty or even bored, sometimes even without a reason. If a hermit does kill a snail that you think wasn't sick or dead, then, well, it can happen. That's nature at work.
 

chaoscat

New Member
Yeah, I've never seen my hermits attack live snails, but once something dies - look out. I had a Crocea clam in my tank for several months. Crabs crawled on it, over it and around it, but never bothered it. I saw the clam start to "ail", was hoping it would recover, but it apparently died - crabs suddenly were all over the thing and had it stripped down to a bare shell in a day.
 

earlybird

Active Member
I consider it a part of my tank that it's going to happen. I've been known to go to my LFS and only pick up 2 or 3 snails from time to time.
 

petieaztec

Member
some hermits just get a wild hair and love to try out new shells..... i also just keep getting new snails and giving the emptys to the fish store when they plie up......
 

m0nk

Active Member
I'm pretty much in agreement with a lot of the posts here. I've found that depending on a bunch of factors, my hermits often end up eating the snails.
First, depending on how you acclimated your snails, they could have just died a slow death. Snails can sometimes take months to die from poor acclimation; they need drip acclimation for at least 2 hours. The hermits could be cleaning up the dead, which is a natural part of having a reef system. IMO, in this scenario, I'd rather have the hermits, just in case.
Next, certain snails do better than others. Margarita snails are a colder water snail but often sold for reef systems. Basically in this case, they are slowly cooked to death. These are great algae eaters, but often don't last longer than 4-6 months.
Another thing to consider is that if your hermits don't have enough to eat, they will become opportunistic predators instead of just scavengers. It's either that or the hermits starve and die...
Hermits do need plenty of spare shells because when they molt, they need to find a new, suitable home quickly, for protection. If they can't find an empty shell, they'll find a snail and empty the shell as needed.
One last thing to consider is the type of hermit. Some are more aggressive than others. One of the worst offenders is the blue-legged variety, and this is also one of the most common. There are worse ones out there, but these are the ones that most people end up with in their first clean-up crew, so they end up giving all hermits a bad rap.
Basically, it comes down to being prepared and knowing what hermits you have and how to keep them with snails. I've been able to successfully keep them with a bunch of different types of snails in larger tanks (which is great for when snails actually do die naturally, in case you can't reach them) but found that in smaller tanks they do more damage. Hope that helps.
 

topfins-mj

Member
to add to the pile, my hermit crabs do attack my snails if they are turned over. remember to check on your snails once in a while to make sure they didn't fall upside down. Hermits think they are dead and start to nibble until you turn them up.
 
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