Snake's Method for Algae Scrubber Basics

snakeblitz33

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Snake's Methods for Algae Scrubber Basics
Algae scrubbers are not new to the aquarium trade. They have been used at least since the 1970s as a form of waste control in commercial aquarium applications. Algae scrubbers use nitrate, phosphate and iron to grow algae on a screen. Typically, the best type of algae to grow is the most hated of all algaes in a saltwater aquarium – hair algae. Hair algae grows quicker than any other algae, and it can uptake the most nutrients out of the water in the shortest period of time. Because of the volume and speed of the water flowing over the screen, and the lights being so close to it, it creates the perfect environment for hair algae to grow. You want this growth because the hair algae will use all the nitrate and phosphate out of the water column in order to maintain growth. The hair algae on the screen will even out-compete any macroalgae in your tank for nutrients.
Algae has the ability to soak up heavy metals, ammonia, contaminates, and other toxins out of the water column, by fixing it into their tissues. It actually requires some iron in the water column in order to grow and reproduce. Tanks with low levels of iron have poor algal growth, even if those refugiums have macro algae, a tank should still be dosed with iron to keep macro algae and algae scrubber screens growing green.
Algae scrubbers also supersaturate the water column with oxygen by a natural means of stripping the water column of Carbon Dioxide and through photosynthesis, produces oxygen that is released into the water column. It's the absolute most natural way of putting oxygen into the water. Because algae scrubbers are essentially vertical refugiums, because of their process of removing waste material and putting oxygen in the water, they constantly balance and stabilize the aquariums pH.
Another benefit of adding an algae scrubber is that it produces millions of seven day old copepods every week! Copepods fill the screen and start eating the underlaying layers of algae on the screen. Believe it or not, it's so many copepods that they become pests! To wash off some of the copepods before you clean your screen, gently dip and shake the screen in your sump to release some of the copepods back into your tank.
There are a few guidelines that you must follow when starting an algae scrubber.
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For every 1” of horizontal screen width, you need 35gph of real flow.
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1” of screen lit on both sides can handle the bioload of 1 gallon of aquarium water. Horizontal screens must have four times the surface area and twice the amount of light in order to grow successfully.
The screen must dip into the water 1/2” to keep noise and splash down to a minimum.
For every 6” of screen, there should be 23w of real light on the screen.
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CFL lights should be no further away than 4” from the screen. T5 lights, no further than 1 1/2” from the screen.
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A hair algae screen must be cleaned every 7 days. A dark red screen / cyano should be cleaned every three days or sooner. Eventually, your screen should be filled with a nice bright green hair algae growth.
Only half of the screen (one side) is cleaned every 7 days in the sink, and freshwater has to be ran over the entire screen at that time. This kills off any copepods that is eating the underlaying algae. Freshwater will not kill hair algae. It is unnecessary to wash it with RO water.
Of course, this guideline is subject to change, and will change over time. Different growth patterns mean different things. Dark red algae growth should be cleaned off the screen every three days. Dark green hair algae should be cleaned off every five days and bright green hair algae should be cleaned off the screen every seven days. If you are getting dark green and red growth on the screen, your water quality is very poor and it will take some time for the scrubber to start improving your water quality. Stick with it, and it will eventually clean everything up.
If you have a problem with hair algae in your display tank, and you are using an algae scrubber, you have three options: You can wait and let the screen start to grow and out compete the hair algae in the display tank, which it will over time. Second, you can start to pull some of the hair algae out of your display tank by hand, and that will assist your scrubber in picking up the pace. Thirdly, you can overfeed your fish! By creating some extra nitrate and phosphate in your system, the scrubber will start growing it quicker than the algae in your display tank, and will eventually out compete it. You also have the option of turning your lights down or off for a little while so the hair algae in the display tank can weaken and be removed by the algae scrubber. This is talked about in detail in Snake's Methods for Hair Algae Removal.
My personal algae scrubber:

I have an algae scrubber running on my 20g nano tank that I started with tap water. I installed the scrubber at the same time I started my tank. The scrubber took about two weeks to get really well seeded. At the same time my algae scrubber was getting seeded, hair algae started to break out in my display tank. I knew this was going to happen, and I wasn't worried about it. I turned the lights down to three hours a day for two weeks and let my algae scrubber run rampant. I cleaned the entire screen off four times in two weeks. When I started my tank, my water parameters were as follows:
Nitrate: 40ppm
Phosphate: 2.0ppm
Ammonia 1.0ppm
Calcium: 440ppm
Alkalinity: 10dKh
After two weeks and four cleanings:
Nitrate: 20ppm
Phosphate: 1.0ppm
Ammonia 0.0ppm
Calcium: 440ppm
Alkalinity: 10dKh
After a month and a half since I started my tank with more cleanings:
Nitrate: 0.0ppm
Phosphate: 0.025ppm
Ammonia: 0.0ppm
Calcium: 440ppm
Alkalinity: 10dKh
I have not done a single water change on this aquarium since I started it 7-1-11. Water parameters are still as follows:
Nitrate: 0.0ppm
Phosphate: undetectable
Ammonia: 0.0ppm
Calcium: 440ppm
Alkalinity: 10dKh
My personal algae scrubber has a 6x8” screen, lit on both sides, which can handle a bioload for a 48g aquarium. It fits in the 10g sump, underneath my 20g nano. I still have room for a Tunze Nano Skimmer if I want to add one. I have witnessed first hand what algae scrubbers can do for a tank. I'm really excited to share my results with everyone. I highly recommend algae scrubbers for everyone's tank.
 

snakeblitz33

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This is an example of a roughed up screen. The plastic canvas screen should be as roughed up as you can. As you can tell, the part on the side is not roughed up at all. A hole saw is generally the best thing to use to rough up the screen. Some people have used a file, though, it doesn't give the best results. That way, it's easier to fit inside the plastic PVC slot. The screen itself should have absolutely no holes. Once you pop a hole in the screen, you should start roughing up a new screen. The roughness of the screen lets hair algae grab hold and stay on and grow. Without being rough, water will just flow over the screen and algae will have a hard time sticking and growing to it.
 

snakeblitz33

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This is a picture of my personal algae scrubber. The screen is 6" wide and 8" long. It's pretty easy to take out and clean. Here you can see a picture of it in my bathtub for leak testing and making sure it will work before putting it in my tank. You should also test yours and adjust your ball valve on your pump before adding it to your system. It's best if both sides of your screen have water running down it equally on both sides of the screen, and it comes off the bottom of the screen evenly. The last 1/2" of the screen at the bottom should always be submerged in water. This keeps your scrubber from splashing water and creating so many microbubbles in your sump. This version of a scrubber is meant to be set in your sump.
 

snakeblitz33

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Here is another version of an algae scrubber I built:

I would change this design, however, to have a T off of the frame on the side for the pumps input/flow instead of where it is located. With this design, you have to take the whole top of of it, including the vinyl hose to the sink or cut the zip ties that hold the screen to the top. As you can see, the bottom screen makes the whole scrubber be extended down into the water, where the water flows down it and doesn't make a splash. The screen has to go into the water at least 1/2" to keep the water from splashing so bad.
This is the only filtration on this 110g aquarium. There is no filter media, no chemical media, no canister filters with media, there's no protein skimmer and no refugium. This is the only filtration and it works.
 

florida joe

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I have not done a single water change on this aquarium since I started it 7-1-11
Actually my friend I do not see how this can be a true statement. Unless you have found a way to eliminate evaporation and we all know that scrubbers cause added evaporation and also have no salt creep were you would have to add salt to make up for the loss you have in fact had a change in water volume and chemistry
 

snakeblitz33

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In post number 6, that scrubber has 23w on light on both sides. The light bulbs will be upgraded to 46w bulbs next month. For the bioload, this basic scrubber does a decent job.
So you define a water change as topping off the tank and adjusting salinity? I always thought a water change was taking a meaured amount of saltwater out and replacing it with a measured amount of saltwater back in to reduce waste and replenish elements.
 

florida joe

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Does this statement imply that you have never changed the water in your tank since 7/01/11? The physical or evaporation proses of removal should have nothing to do with it. In both cases a specific amount of water is removed and replaced. As far as I know nitrates are remove during evaporation. So you are getting that benefit of evaporation. If you have salt creep you then also replenishing trace elements when you replace the salt loss. If in fact you have no salt loss then you are replacing trace elements in another way. But this other way is not through the use of a scrubber IMO
You are IMO giving hobbyists the idea that because you run a scrubber there has never been any change in the water in your tank, this simple is not true
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I have not done a single water change on this aquarium since I started it 7-1-11
 

snakeblitz33

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Technicalities. Yes, I top off my aquarium when it evaporates water. Yes, I adjust my salinity. Have I removed a large amount of water from my system and replaced it with newly mixed saltwater for the purpose of reducing nitrate and phosphate? No.
 

florida joe

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More like dealing in absolutes. So you will admit that there has in fact been a change in water in your system .
All I am saying is that your thread would have IMO been better served if you stated that through the use of a scrubber you have had no need to physically remove phosphates and nitrates via water removal and replacement but rather by the harvesting of algae from the scrubber
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/388858/snakes-method-for-algae-scrubber-basics#post_3437131
Technicalities. Yes, I top off my aquarium when it evaporates water. Yes, I adjust my salinity. Have I removed a large amount of water from my system and replaced it with newly mixed saltwater for the purpose of reducing nitrate and phosphate? No.
 

jaws1279

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Snake I understand what you are saying. You do not do a water change but you do top it off to replace evaporation. I do have a question: do you need a sump in order to setup this up? I i only have a small hang on the back refugium on 46g tank.
 

florida joe

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in post 4 your personal scrubber why not two couplings so you only have to remove the screen and not the screen and pump and pump plumbing.
And in post 6 why not put a T below the coupling to feed the water and just elbow the vertical to horizontal
 

snakeblitz33

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Joe, my personal scrubber was designed and built and put to use the same day. I used plumbing parts that I had on hand, and didn't purchase anything but the screen and lights to start it. If I had to rebuild it, IDE do Al's design and put it in a 10g tank. I usually cut the zip ties anyways, to clean the screen.
Post six... Your right. In fact, I think I mentioned that in the post. Hindsight is 20/20.
Im not going to get hung up on technicalities, joe. I already stated my case. I disagree that topping off a tank and adjusting salinity is a water change, but whatever.
Jaws: no. You do not have to have a sump. There is another version you can build in a container or a 10g tank or even a 5g bucket that you can hang above your tank and the pump can be placed in your tank in the corner.
 

spanko

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IMO just doing top offs to replace evaporated water increases toxicity as toxins do not evaporate but are left behind. Also water replacement IMO does not equal a water change in the way we discuss water changes in the hobby.
 

snakeblitz33

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Toxins from top off water? I always assumed that by using RO/DI or distilled water for top offs that you eliminate toxins and other harsh chemicals from being added to the tank? I also thought that by using chemical filtration media like carbon and GFO would also limit toxins in the water column. Also, hair algae readily takes up heavy metals into it's tissues, such as iron, copper, and lead... If you remove the hair algae from the system via cleaning an algae scrubber, and using carbon in the system occasionally, on top of using RO/DI water... wouldn't that severely limit the total amount of toxins in the water column?
 

florida joe

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Also water replacement IMO does not equal a water change in the way we discuss water changes in the hobby.
but there is a difference between doing a water change and changing water.
I will jump the gun to my brother Henrys question of how so. I could say it just sounds good like Lucy in the sky with diamonds. But I will say that as most hobbyists understand the reason for water changes being. To eliminate, to dilute and replenish. My point is that when you employ a scrubber and state that there is no need to do or have never done a water change, that in fact you have been doing water changes simply by dealing with evaporation. BTW happy thanksgiving to all
 

spanko

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I wasn't clear snake, not that the top off water contains toxins but that the toxins present in the aquarium will elevate like salt does with the evaporation.
Yes all of the filtering methods you talk about are for the exact purpose of removing toxins and potentials. What I meant was that evaporation in and of itself does not remove nitrates or any other "toxin" as they are left behind just like salt is and you now have a more concentrated amount of what is left.
 
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