Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders

geridoc

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This jerk might want to read the sections of the constitution that deal with treason, as well as the army regulations and punishments for mutiny. Since he is in Iraq, he may be committing mutiny in the face of the enemy - not a good thing for your long term health.
 
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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2967408
This jerk might want to read the sections of the constitution that deal with treason, as well as the army regulations and punishments for mutiny. Since he is in Iraq, he may be committing mutiny in the face of the enemy - not a good thing for your long term health.
I think he is well aware ,so he must feel very strongly about what he is doing .I seriously doubt he would put his life on the line to make a political statement.In essence he is now going to FORCE the United States of America to address this accusation instead of blocking it over and over,If you read the article in its entirety you will see the list of cases that have been blocked,denied,impeded....Now the pertinent information will be forced to be provided under the laws of the land.
The man you call a jerk may just have some moral convictions and believes in the US Constitution that he has sworn by oath to support and defend.
He is probably more entitled to know this information than you or I since he is the one with his ass on the line.
 
jennythebugg

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geez...well it does make you wonder just why hasn't he just given up the birth certificate to a judge or something and got all this carp over with - even if for nothing more than an'' i told you so''
 
crimzy

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I agree with Obama's opposition on this one. He has taken the highest office in the land. There is no reason that his birth certificate should be withheld, unless there is something incriminating on it. This certainly raises some red flags.
As far as the soldier, I feel it's a bit self-righteous for him to refuse to follow any orders and call Obama an "imposter" until he sees the proof. This soldier is not entitled to make that decision. This country has sworn Obama as President, regardless of whether there are objections from citizens of this country.
If there is a constitutional problem with his eligibility to take office then the courts will address that through the legal process. I think this officer has chosen the wrong time to engage in his own version of "civil disobedience", and there should be consequences to his actions.
 
theclemsonkid

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That's why this country is a mess. Instead of actually doing something to help this country, some nut job (or group of nut jobs) spends time, effort, and money building and maintaining a site that questions the citizenship of the president.
How sad.
 
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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2967432
If there is a constitutional problem with his eligibility to take office then the courts will address that through the legal process. I think this officer has chosen the wrong time to engage in his own version of "civil disobedience", and there should be consequences to his actions.
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:
* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.
* Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania Democrat, demanded that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate and other documents proving his American citizenship. Berg's latest appeal, requesting an injunction to stop the Electoral College from selecting the 44th president, was denied.
* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.
* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.
* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.
* Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.
* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.
* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.
* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.
* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.
* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:
* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.
* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
Maybe a mans life and liberty will finally force the Government to finally put this to bed.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2967436
That's why this country is a mess. Instead of actually doing something to help this country, some nut job (or group of nut jobs) spends time, effort, and money building and maintaining a site that questions the citizenship of the president.
How sad.
No, what is wrong with this country is people like you do not question enough. Maybe JUST MAYBE, had enough people called their senators or Representatives we wouldn't have increased our deficit to 1.2 TRILLION for the year.
Now back to the discussion at hand before we were so rudely called unhelpful. I believe his citizenship to be legal. My main reason for thinking this, Hilary would have exploited this to no end to ensure her nomination as democratic candidate. But I do question why Obama just doesn't take care of it.....granted less than 5% of the country actually give a crap about it.
 
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2967436
That's why this country is a mess. Instead of actually doing something to help this country, some nut job (or group of nut jobs) spends time, effort, and money building and maintaining a site that questions the citizenship of the president.
How sad.
I disagree, this country is in the mess its in because of it failure to follow the US Constitution and our government has run a muck.
One can easily claim that our government official are a "GROUP OF NUT JOBS" and im sure most would agree that almost all of them are out of touch with the people of the United States of America and or Reality as the people of "Real Street" see it.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2967408
This jerk might want to read the sections of the constitution that deal with treason, as well as the army regulations and punishments for mutiny. Since he is in Iraq, he may be committing mutiny in the face of the enemy - not a good thing for your long term health.

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2967436
That's why this country is a mess. Instead of actually doing something to help this country, some nut job (or group of nut jobs) spends time, effort, and money building and maintaining a site that questions the citizenship of the president.
How sad.
The horror is that you liberals have no problem with politicians calling our troops rapists and murders, calling our former president an nazi. But call Obama an impostor, he is a jerk and the reason our country is messed up.

But I do like the new "transparancy" of our government. Where they refuse to prove that our Prez is an American or not.
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2967443
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:
* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.
* Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania Democrat, demanded that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate and other documents proving his American citizenship. Berg's latest appeal, requesting an injunction to stop the Electoral College from selecting the 44th president, was denied.
* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.
* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.
* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.
* Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.
* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.
* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.
* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.
* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.
* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:
* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.
* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
Maybe a mans life and liberty will finally force the Government to finally put this to bed.
This is exactly my point... there are at least 5 active cases from your list. Maybe more as I'm not sure what's meant by "denied a full hearing". The courts will hash this out. But it's pretty disappointing that Obama, who did run on a platform of governmental "transparency" (as Streb mentioned above), is not willling to disclose his birth certificate. The dual citizenship argument is crap, but he could put an end to most of this nonsense just by providing a simple document...
 
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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2967457
This is exactly my point... there are at least 5 active cases from your list. Maybe more as I'm not sure what's meant by "denied a full hearing. The courts will hash this out. But it's pretty disappointing that Obama, who did run on a platform of governmental "transparency" (as Streb mentioned above), is not willling to disclose his birth certificate. The dual citizenship argument is crap, but he could put an end to most of this nonsense just by providing a simple document...
He should and IMO should have been Demanded long ago to put forth proof.
So here we stand with a US Soldiers Life and Liberty in the hands of US Military Laws.It will be interesting to see what happens.Im not sure how the militarys court system works compared to civilian court,but i hope it forces the issue and demands to have our current President or Imposter provide the proof.
 
renogaw

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as far as i know, every citizen has a responsibility to question something they do not like with the government, even to the point of overthrowing the govt and starting new.
so... what would happen if Obama was not a us citizen? we did not vote for Biden...
 
bionicarm

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Sounds to me like they're nothing but a bunch of SORE LOSERS. Lose the election, find a loophole to change it. Let's say he isn't a legal citizen. What's the protocol? Does he get impeached? If so, guess who gets the Presidency - Joe Biden. Whatever happens, you're not going to get a 'do-over' on the election. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that if an elected official can't provide the documentation that shows he was legally allowed to run for the office of POTUS, that his opponent is then put in his place. Does everyone honestly think that Obama would even fathom the thought of running for President, if there was any doubt whatsoever he wasn't a legal citizen of the US? With today's technology, and the recording of all pertinent documents of every American citizen, do you think he's arrogant enough to believe he would have so much power to circumvent every legal system known to this country, to keep someone from finding out the truth? I thought I read an article a month or so ago, that stated that someone in Hawaii has provided his actual birth certificate per the Open Records Act. This 'officer' needs to quit relying on Internet Fodder and Grassy Knoll Theories, and perform the duties he took an oath to adhere. If not, drop his commission and move on.
 
geridoc

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So the fact that the Honolulu Advertiser has the birth announcement contemporaneously printed, and that the birth certificate has been posted on line(and actually seen by FacCheck.org), and that the Hawaiian office of records has affirmed that the certificate that was published is, in fact, a legal and proper certificate; none of that makes any difference to the paranoid conspiracy theorists among us, and no amount of evidence ever will satisfy them. It is going to be like the income tax denialists, most of whom end up in jail. Only, this guy in Iraq mutinied in the face of the enemy, and jail could be a mild outcome.
 
renogaw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2967469
do you think he's arrogant enough

um, to put it plainly, yes.
all the politicians can fit into this though. look at lieberman... he actually said he was smarter than the general populus of CT...simply because he was denied the "democrat" primary, ran as independant, and STILL the people voted for him...
unfortunatley, i cannot disagree with him on that one...
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2967469
Sounds to me like they're nothing but a bunch of SORE LOSERS. Lose the election, find a loophole to change it. Let's say he isn't a legal citizen. What's the protocol? Does he get impeached? If so, guess who gets the Presidency - Joe Biden. Whatever happens, you're not going to get a 'do-over' on the election. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that if an elected official can't provide the documentation that shows he was legally allowed to run for the office of POTUS, that his opponent is then put in his place. Does everyone honestly think that Obama would even fathom the thought of running for President, if there was any doubt whatsoever he wasn't a legal citizen of the US? With today's technology, and the recording of all pertinent documents of every American citizen, do you think he's arrogant enough to believe he would have so much power to circumvent every legal system known to this country, to keep someone from finding out the truth? I thought I read an article a month or so ago, that stated that someone in Hawaii has provided his actual birth certificate per the Open Records Act. This 'officer' needs to quit relying on Internet Fodder and Grassy Knoll Theories, and perform the duties he took an oath to adhere. If not, drop his commission and move on.
I dont know that this person is a sore looser and if so do you think he would go to this length with such severe consequences just to get Obama out of office?Or maybe he just takes his Oath very serious,you know stand by your beliefs and stand by your words.
BTW the US Constitution isnt a loophole
And if President Obama is in violation of US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 then i hope that one of the US Marines stationed there throws his ass out on the White House lawn with a suitcase following right behind.
 
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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2967475
So the fact that the Honolulu Advertiser has the birth announcement contemporaneously printed, and that the birth certificate has been posted on line(and actually seen by FacCheck.org), and that the Hawaiian office of records has affirmed that the certificate that was published is, in fact, a legal and proper certificate; none of that makes any difference to the paranoid conspiracy theorists among us, and no amount of evidence ever will satisfy them. It is going to be like the income tax denialists, most of whom end up in jail. Only, this guy in Iraq mutinied in the face of the enemy, and jail could be a mild outcome.
See post above
 
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