Some questions....

kittenboo

Member
Ok so my hubby just got a new 120 gal tank. It's 48"x24"x24". He knows nothing about saltwater. I know some but not enough! So needless to say we are having a bit of an issue on the stocking of the tank. He seems to think that he can stock it like our 120 gal Chiclid tank and have 20 fish in there. LMAO. So the latest issue is on clownfish. Can you have more than 1 type in a tank this size? Also would this be a good tank to have a Zebra Eel in as well? And how much LR should we put in this size tank?
This is what we have on it:
~ Fluval FX5
~BERMUDA PROTEIN SKIMMER
~ 48" 500W Aquarium Metal Halide Light with 6 leds going to add more fluorescence lights at a later time if we decide to go reef.
~2 Odyssea EX250 Aquarium Powerheads
~ 120 lbs of live sand
No fish yet.
My other question is heaters..... has anyone used those in line heaters? Would they work on a tank like this?
Thanks for any advice!
 
I can only answer a couple of your questions. Two different species of clownfish is not a good idea they tend to get very aggressive towards each other and a lot of times will fight to death. You at the very least want a pound/gallon of liverock but 1-1/2 pounds/gallon works better,IME.
 

jdl

Member
Originally Posted by Kittenboo
http:///forum/post/3011035
My other question is heaters..... has anyone used those in line heaters? Would they work on a tank like this?
Thanks for any advice!
I've used them before but that was mainly for freshwater tanks. For salt, the key is consistancy. I now run my heaters with a controller. Controllers will have your temp exactly where you want it all the time.
 

bizzmoneyb

Member
ive heard lots of people say that 2 clownfish is a bad idea but i used to have 2 and never had any problems.
as far as rocks go, its really just up to you and how you want the tank to look. some people just put alittle LR on the bottom of the tank, some people totally fill it up. i have a 90 gallon (48x18x18) and have about 100lbs in there.
 

locoyo386

Member
Originally Posted by Kittenboo
http:///forum/post/3011035
Ok so my hubby just got a new 120 gal tank. It's 48"x24"x24". He knows nothing about saltwater. I know some but not enough! So needless to say we are having a bit of an issue on the stocking of the tank. He seems to think that he can stock it like our 120 gal Chiclid tank and have 20 fish in there. LMAO. So the latest issue is on clownfish. Can you have more than 1 type in a tank this size? Also would this be a good tank to have a Zebra Eel in as well? And how much LR should we put in this size tank?
This is what we have on it:
~ Fluval FX5
~BERMUDA PROTEIN SKIMMER
~ 48" 500W Aquarium Metal Halide Light with 6 leds going to add more fluorescence lights at a later time if we decide to go reef.
~2 Odyssea EX250 Aquarium Powerheads
~ 120 lbs of live sand
No fish yet.
My other question is heaters..... has anyone used those in line heaters? Would they work on a tank like this?
Thanks for any advice!
Actually in that size tank I do not see a problem with stocking 20 fish. As long as they do not grow no more than 3" (full grown) each.
 

kittenboo

Member
Right. But he/we are looking at a pair of clowns..... gold stripe maroon, a blue hippo, purple tang or powder blue, coral beauty, black cap basslet, clown gobby, cardinal. These are some of the fish that we have in mind. I am still looking into all of these to see if they would be a good fit. If you have any comments I would love to hear them. I would also love a moorish idol but worried about the tank size. I had heard that they need space to swim but our tank isn't very long. IDK..... still learning and trying to piece all of them together. And some will have to come down the road a bit before we have enough experence.
 

firestorm

Member
Originally Posted by Kittenboo
http:///forum/post/3011995
Right. But he/we are looking at a pair of clowns..... gold stripe maroon, a blue hippo, purple tang or powder blue, coral beauty, black cap basslet, clown gobby, cardinal. These are some of the fish that we have in mind. I am still looking into all of these to see if they would be a good fit. If you have any comments I would love to hear them. I would also love a moorish idol but worried about the tank size. I had heard that they need space to swim but our tank isn't very long. IDK..... still learning and trying to piece all of them together. And some will have to come down the road a bit before we have enough experence.
Same suggestion I make to every newbie (because its worked thus far for me).
Read several of the tank diaries on here and the faq - they'll provide answers to questions you didn't even know to ask yet. Then decide what type of tank you want (reef, fish only, or fish only with live rock) - then comes the equipment questions, then the stocking ones.
That way you'll have an idea of the whole process, a better idea of what transfers from your freshwater experience vs what doesn't, and some more specific questions.
Keep'em coming, welcome the the forum, and hopefully you'll get as hooked as the rest of us.
 

kittenboo

Member
Thanks I hadn't even thought about reading any of those yet. Alright..... I'll brush up on that and then move forward.
 

jubbin2001

Member
My best advice right now is slow down. I understand how exciting and wonderful this all is, but it requires planning and careful stock choices.
Are you going to be building a Reef tank with corals and shrimp and stuff? If so that is going to impact your fish choices a bunch.
If you are going FOWLR (Fish Only With Live Rock) you have to see which fish can be kept with what, as you will end up spending money on fish that just end up dying.
Really, this should be the first step, because down the road it's normally to late and you start spending even more money in the long run. That and like the stores around where I live do not take fish from home aquariums. You can't just bring them in and trade them. So If I had a bunch of triggers and wanted to go Reef, I would have to find some way to get rid of them. So really, figure out what you want to do with the tank first. Though I must say, I think once most people see a well thought out and stocked reef tank, they are instantly lovers, and are easily converted
.
Also, when you are calculating out inches of fish per gallon of water, keep in mind you need to use the MAX size of the fish, not the size it currently is. That alone will probably save you money (since you won't have to go out and buy new tanks to setup
).
Put the Moorish Idol out of your head. They have a horrible survival rate and should really be left in the oceans. The exception of course are the public aquariums and really experienced people who have the time, money, and equipment to dedicate to that fish. They in no way should be introduced into a typical home aquarium.
Gold Striped Clowns - If you can get a mated pair great! If you can get a m/f pair - ok (I have heard of them fighting with each other still, even being different sexes). I wouldn't suggest just going into the shop and getting 2 of them...I am sure with in a few days one would be either dead, or darn close.
Tangs - Can be tricky as they tend to be less resistant to diseases like Ich. Powder Blue's also have a very poor survival rate in the home aquarium and are not generally suggested as a good canidate. Blue Hippo's do much better, as do purples(From what I hear, I do not have one). Difference being Purples tend to be around the $150 mark, and Hippo's tend to be around $40-60. Tangs get rather large, and can be quite aggresive to their own species (much like every other saltwater fish). Careful selection is required to make sure you are not going to get 2 that will constantly be battling it out, leaving one impailed by the other's long spike near the tail.
Coral Beauty - Very pretty and not to bad to take care of. If you are planning on doing a Reef Tank (which is why I mentioned figuring out what kind of tank you want first), I would suggest leaving this fish out, as they are prone to nipping at Large Polyp Stoney Corals...as are all Angelfish. There is no "reef safe" angel, they are all either a "No" or "With caution". More often then not, you will start seeing corals disappear from angels.
Black Cap bass, Cardinals (I say this because most do better in a group of 2 or more...again research will tell you), and the Clown Gobie are all pretty good choices. They are interesting fish, and given the space they will have to roam, I think they would be just fine. For Cardinals I would look at the Kaudern's (also known as Banggai) Cardinals. I think they are probably one of the neater Cardinals, fairly easy for care, and for the most part are pretty hardy.
I hope this helped a bit, just my experience so far. Good luck and welcome to the forums!!
 

firestorm

Member
oh, and ask as many questions as you need to about CYCLING!
make sure you understand it before you start doing anything with the tank - understand this and you'll understand the main reason everyone on here preaches paitence

and if you know this from freshwater (idk? meowzer?) then you're ahead of where I was
 

locoyo386

Member
Hi there,
Originally Posted by Kittenboo
http:///forum/post/3011995
Right. But he/we are looking at a pair of clowns..... gold stripe maroon, a blue hippo, purple tang or powder blue, coral beauty, black cap basslet, clown gobby, cardinal. These are some of the fish that we have in mind. I am still looking into all of these to see if they would be a good fit. If you have any comments I would love to hear them. I would also love a moorish idol but worried about the tank size. I had heard that they need space to swim but our tank isn't very long. IDK..... still learning and trying to piece all of them together. And some will have to come down the road a bit before we have enough experence.
There all fine except the tangs. Your tank is only 48" long, thus I would not go with any fish that can reach over 8". The tangs you have listed can reach longer than 8". If you want a tang look into the Yellow Tang, Kole Tang or Convict Tang. These tangs only get to about 8". As far as Gold Stripe Marrons, I think that your tank might be big enough. This is going to be a trial an error type of thing. As angels are concerned you can go with a Coral Beauty and a Flame Angel (my favorite by the way). There are alot of fish that you should have no problems with. Just keep compatability in mind when selecting them.
 

kittenboo

Member
WOW great fish info. Thanks to all of you!!!! Slow is the name of the game for sure which is why we are asking all the questions we can now about different fish. And you can only read so much on the net. Asking people who are fish keepers seems to be a way better source of information. I was worried that the length of the tank may not be so good. But it is a very pretty tank and stand. So it is what it is. We just added our water today so we are now just waiting it out to cycle and working on learning everything that we need to know about the fish we might want to put in there and weather or not it is a good fit.
Lots of reading. LOL Thanks again.
 

firestorm

Member
No problem, and good move taking it slow. Have you decided on reef or Fish only yet? Live rock?
And also, any questions on cycling? Do you have the proper test kits? Tell me you're not using damsels ;) (if you are, hide, some of the damsel fanatics are going to kill ya ;)
Keep us in the loop.....and most importantly
PICTURES!!!!!
 

kittenboo

Member
No questions on cycling. Done that part before. Raw shrimp and we also added some bio max. Don't know if it actually does anything but oh well. Test kit we have and are testing everyday. We are going to do fish only to start with LR. We have 96 lbs in it right now. We are looking to maybe do some reef items later. So in prep for that we are being careful to pick only reef safe fish. Or accept the fact that we will have to get rid of the fish when that time comes. We have MH lighting.... never had them on my last tank. WOW they make the tank hot. So here is my next question.... do we have to have a chiller? The tank is 82 so i'm thinking so. And I know NOTHING about chillers.... any ideas on some that won't break the bank? LOL Tank is 48x 24 x 24. 120 gal. Thanks
 

firestorm

Member
Don't necessarily have to have a chiller - I don't run one and my temp is fine. If you run an open top (no canopy) you can probably get by with a couple of fans blowing across the water (dissapates the heat from the MH's). Even computer fans work.
If you run a canopy with no way for the heat to escape, different story though...and be forewarned, if you do go with the fan method, be ready to do more water additions (usually no salt), as you will have more evaporation (which leaves the salt, hence adding water with no salt).
 

oceansidefish

Active Member
I have that same tank...You can check out my tank diary. Mine is a leemar eurobraced. I would recommend getting a sump for the tank SInce I am assuming you have room under the stand. Your lighting is just fine you don't need more than the 2 250's over that tank. I have a 48" Geismann 2x 250 with 2 t5 actinics. I run a chiller because I don't run my AC and i don't want to have fans over the top of my tank or in my sump. I use a 1/10th horsepower and it works just fine. I think I got it for around 400. I would really consider putting a sump under there while you don't have any livestock. It will make your life much easier.
 

oceansidefish

Active Member
Originally Posted by Kittenboo
http:///forum/post/3024706
Great info. Why put a sump under though? Do this in place of a reefugium?

No, no a refugium can either be part of your sump system or seperate...A sump just acts as a filter. They range in setup styles, some people have a refugium in their sump, some don't. Personally I run my tank very simply, not saying it's the ideal best way ever, just the way I wanted it to be. I will probably redo my sump at some point in the future though. At this point however my sump is set up as follows, drain line from the tank goes in one side where the protein skimmer sits and a bag of carbon, then it goes through the baffles where I have the return pump and the chiller pump. Thats it in my tank. Alot of people build a refugium in there as well.
 
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