Something Eating my Starfish

artista

Member
I just purcased a bristle star from SWF and he arrived in great health. After the acclimation period he seemed pretty happy under a rock that I know is infeated with Bristle worms. Some of these worms are getting almost as thick as a pencil. The starfish came out last night to eat and he had a huge hole in his back. Could the giant bristle worms have done this? The starfish is still alive this morning, under a different group of rocks. Do you think this will kill him? I really like him but was suprised to see him still alive.
Also I know the bristle worms are good, but how many are too many and what are their natural predators?
Thank You,
Christy
 

buzz

Active Member
It is possible that something attacked it, but not necessarily.
How did you acclimate, and how long was it in the tank after acclimation when you noticed this?
Acclimation stress may be involved, and the star may just be decomposing (what happens as they die).
Have you fed the star?
Water parameters?
 

artista

Member
I acclimated over a 2 hour period in the dark as suggested by SWF.com. He came out to eat last night after the lights went out. I didn't actually see him eat though.
All my water parimeters are great except nitrites .5-.10 but I just did a water change to help remedy that.
Can this be reversed?
 
i know this is going to sound dumb, but is there a chance you have a harlequin shrimp? they eat starfish, is there anyway you can have gotten one as a hitchhiker?
now im worried about worms eating my star, we have one that is about 12 to 14" long and about 1/4" thick, very large, will he harm anything?
 

artista

Member
I have 4 peppermint shrimp, 2 cleaners and 2 pistols. They all stay on the opposite side of the aquarium than the starfish. He is still alive and was moving around when I fed this afternoon. I just hope that this is something he will get through, but it is a pretty big hole.
I know that one large bristle worm was messing with him when he was under the rock yesterday but I thought they were harmless to larger reef inhabitants.
 

sammystingray

Active Member
I think it's one of those bacterial infections many stars get when stressed out or in non-proper environments. Kind of sucks, but if it doesn't stop, it will eat him away until his legs fall off, and then the legs will keep wiggling around until they starve...I agree, try the disease forum, or put up a post for Ophiura directly.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
I moved it here from the Disease Forum hoping that the reefers here would know more as the Disease Forum is basically for fish diseases. There's a copy now in Disease and in the Shark Tank....trying to get Ophiura's attention.
 

krowleey

Active Member
nitrites being .5 .10 wouldnt be a problem for a invert? how long has this tank been setup and running?
 

matti070

Member
well, stars heal ungodly fast. if he stays away from the killer bristles, he will heal and live unless a a disease forms from the injury. then try a post in the disease forum.
 

ophiura

Active Member
Sorry for the delay in getting to this.
There are three possible causes for this.
One is acclimation shock, but this also typically leads to arm loss...and typically arm loss is the first step. Animals can recover from this but tend to show behaviors related to this stress (staying in the open, etc).
The second is a feeding injury in which the animal quite literally eats something that is too big or too sharp and this pokes through the disk. Odds of recovery are generally quite good.
A third possibility is a predatory attack, but not by the worms. This would be something bigger, a fish like a wrasse, puffer or trigger. But again, most will get the arms first, and a hole such as this is not, IMO, a predatory attack.
Basically, if the animal has not lost arms, is in hiding, and is interested in food, I have every confidence that it will recover from this.
If it starts losing arms, staying out in the open, etc, then that is a bad sign.
FWIW, brittlestars are amazingly resilient animals are rarely fall ill with any sort of bacterial or viral problem, due to an astonishing array of symbiotic bacteria that live on them (which are, BTW, being investigated for use by humans). This appears to explain why they can sustain incredible damage such as this, and recover in relatively short order.
I had this happen with a couple of individuals.
From ammonia and pH burns (left in bag at LFS):

Unknown:

Check out what has been dubbed "Distended disk syndrome" in the Tabloids section of my website.
The best thing to do is to leave the brittlestar where it is (moving it to another tank will cause it more stress) and remove anything that is seen picking at it.
 

artista

Member
I just wanted to let everyone know that my brittle star is doing well and the hole is almost closed. Thanks for all the help:D
 

jbstuart

Member
Some brissel worms sides are thorny and those thorns contain a toxin. Actually my propagation book even mentions it can hurt like a bee sting in people. This might explain the sore.
thanks
Jarod
 
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