Spanish: The new American common language?

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language#post_3486326
Contrary to popular belief around here Texas is NOT the epicenter of the USA....
Didn't say it was. I'm just saying that Spanish is more prevalent in Texas than English in many of the parts of that state. I would imagine the same could be said about California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Florida. Even the redneck states like Alabama and Mississippi are seeing an influx of Spanish into their communities. New York? You people didn't even know what salsa was until a couple of decades ago.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486332
Didn't say it was. I'm just saying that Spanish is more prevalent in Texas than English in many of the parts of that state. I would imagine the same could be said about California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Florida. Even the redneck states like Alabama and Mississippi are seeing an influx of Spanish into their communities. New York? You people didn't even know what salsa was until a couple of decades ago.
LOL! A texan calling another state Redneck?
 

1guydude

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even here in the tri cities area its mostly hispanic.
We should just become the united states of mexico...(totally unrealistic i know) i mean im all for america and being an american but honestly is it something to be that proud of?
 

mantisman51

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p.s. The culture in every single Spanish country is corrupt and violent. That is what La Raza(and a certain unnamed SWF member) want America to become, and it will once the Spanish culture and language become dominant here.
 

reefraff

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Hell, most illegals want their kids to learn English. It's our pathetic government controlled school system that insists on teaching them in spanish.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486352
Hell, most illegals want their kids to learn English. It's our pathetic government controlled school system that insists on teaching them in spanish.
Kids are taught in ESL classes because they don't know enough English to be able to comprehend and keep up in an English-only class. During those classes, they are introduced to the English language, and are prepared to move forward into English-only classes. Kind of like if you took a 5 year old US citizen that only knew English, and dumped him/her into Frankfurt where the only language spoken in the schools is German. You'd hope they'd have a GSL class where your child could still use English at first, and begin learning the German language so they could matriculate into the normal classes once they became somewhat proficient in German.
 

1guydude

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t's our pathetic government controlled school system that insists on teaching them in spanish
I was totally gonna comment how r schools are pushing the spanish language like a kirby vacum salesman!
 

snakeblitz33

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Think about how easy it is for a bilingual Spanish/English kid in school to pass a Spanish test. Is that fair to the rest of the students who don't speak it as a native language?
I know quite a bit of Spanish.... I took two years in highschool and two years in college. Am I around native Spanish speakers to keep up on it? No. So, did I really need to learn it in the first place? Maybe. Maybe some day I can thank my Spanish teachers for saving my life if I am ever caught in the middle of a cartel drug ring and have to beg for my life in Spanish. I would probably end up just asking where the bathroom was anyways.
As far as being America's new common language - I think it is actually on the rise. Since it is being taught in schools, and there are more and more native Spanish speaking people in the United States by the day - It has almost become a necessity for business owners to be bilingual. So, does this effect me right now? No, not really, but I know that it does a lot more in places out west.
We do have Mexicans here in the area that I live in, but since they don't speak but very little English - they tend to stick to each other and have very little interaction with native English speakers...
Is it fair that native English speakers are forced to learn Spanish in schools - but Mexican illegals and even some immigrants do not have to learn conversational English?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486539
Think about how easy it is for a bilingual Spanish/English kid in school to pass a Spanish test. Is that fair to the rest of the students who don't speak it as a native language?
I know quite a bit of Spanish.... I took two years in highschool and two years in college. Am I around native Spanish speakers to keep up on it? No. So, did I really need to learn it in the first place? Maybe. Maybe some day I can thank my Spanish teachers for saving my life if I am ever caught in the middle of a cartel drug ring and have to beg for my life in Spanish. I would probably end up just asking where the bathroom was anyways.
As far as being America's new common language - I think it is actually on the rise. Since it is being taught in schools, and there are more and more native Spanish speaking people in the United States by the day - It has almost become a necessity for business owners to be bilingual. So, does this effect me right now? No, not really, but I know that it does a lot more in places out west.
We do have Mexicans here in the area that I live in, but since they don't speak but very little English - they tend to stick to each other and have very little interaction with native English speakers...
Is it fair that native English speakers are forced to learn Spanish in schools - but Mexican illegals and even some immigrants do not have to learn conversational English?
Schools don't force any student to learn Spanish. Most high schools require at least two years of a FOREIGN language. Spanish is just one option. My older daughter took French, the other took Japanese. Would it have been logical to take Spanish, considering where we live demographically, and have a predominant presense of Hispanics in the area? I guess you could say yes, but unfortunately the "Spanish" they teach in high school is Castillian, or "old Spanish". Around my parts, the Hispanics speak an off-shoot dialect that we call "Tex Mex". I have friends who are fluent in their version of Spanish, and their kids made B's and C's in Spanish when they took it in school.
I work down in Mexico all the time. I have enough knowledge of the Spanish dialect they use in those areas that I can converse and get around with little or no problems. However, everywhere I go, whether it's a restaurant, store, business facility, etc., every person I come across makes an attempt to converse with me in English. They see this "gringo" and assume I can't speak Spanish. Most of the people I speak with want to learn English, because they know that in order to get ahead in thier jobs, they need to be able to converse with the individuals that pay the salaries. You'd be surprised how many of those Mexicans in your area actually do know English quite well. They just use their "ignorance" of the English language as a tool to take advantage of a situation. Some also do it as a way to keep non-Spanish speakers out of the loop. They get joy knowing they can stand right in front of you, saying whatever they want about you, and you have no clue what their saying. I actually love when some of these types try pulling that on me. I stand there looking dumbfounded when they start speaking Spanish, and I temporarily ignore them when they start saying something about me. I let them continue trash talking me, then I'll respond in Spanish that I know exactly what they are saying. The expressions on their faces, and the immediate about face they make regarding what they said is priceless.
 

snakeblitz33

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Bionic...
Like I said, it's becoming more commonplace for business owners, entrepreneurs, and business people to all start learning more Spanish because it's becoming a lot more commonplace in the business world. You said it yourself. Now, that does fit in with the idea that Spanish is starting to become America's common language.
People in big cities that work with businesses over in other countries like China have to learn Chinese to accommodate each other as well. Can I go around my city and find a group of non-Asian people that speak more then a handful of chinese words? The likelyhood of that is very close to zero. Can I go around my city and find groups of non-mexican people who speak Tex Mex Spanish fluently? Yes. And - that's right here in Louisiana...
Bionic, if you work so much down in Mexico, why don't you want your family to move there? Less of a commute, wouldn't you think? Take that reason and apply it to why so many Mexicans want to come to the US - for the same reason you want to stay here.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486364
Kids are taught in ESL classes because they don't know enough English to be able to comprehend and keep up in an English-only class. During those classes, they are introduced to the English language, and are prepared to move forward into English-only classes. Kind of like if you took a 5 year old US citizen that only knew English, and dumped him/her into Frankfurt where the only language spoken in the schools is German. You'd hope they'd have a GSL class where your child could still use English at first, and begin learning the German language so they could matriculate into the normal classes once they became somewhat proficient in German.
Difference being the Germans wouldn't sacrifice their own childrens education to teach the children of illegal border invaders in their native language.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486539
We do have Mexicans here in the area that I live in, but since they don't speak but very little English - they tend to stick to each other and have very little interaction with native English speakers...
This is why we require those who migrate here legally to learn english. The idea is for them to become more like Americans, not for use to adhere to whatever customs the 3rd world cesspool they came from have
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486554
Difference being the Germans wouldn't sacrifice their own childrens education to teach the children of illegal border invaders in their native language.
Also, English is pretty much recognized around the world as the language of business, which is why pretty much all students in Europe are taught it regardless of what country they live in. The company I work for is owned by a UK based parent company and they own other companies all over the world. EVERYONE I have ever dealt with or heard speak from any of those companies speaks fluent English.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486575
Also, English is pretty much recognized around the world as the language of business, which is why pretty much all students in Europe are taught it regardless of what country they live in. The company I work for is owned by a UK based parent company and they own other companies all over the world. EVERYONE I have ever dealt with or heard speak from any of those companies speaks fluent English.
Air traffic control too
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392541/spanish-the-new-american-common-language/20#post_3486550
Bionic...
Like I said, it's becoming more commonplace for business owners, entrepreneurs, and business people to all start learning more Spanish because it's becoming a lot more commonplace in the business world. You said it yourself. Now, that does fit in with the idea that Spanish is starting to become America's common language.
People in big cities that work with businesses over in other countries like China have to learn Chinese to accommodate each other as well. Can I go around my city and find a group of non-Asian people that speak more then a handful of chinese words? The likelyhood of that is very close to zero. Can I go around my city and find groups of non-mexican people who speak Tex Mex Spanish fluently? Yes. And - that's right here in Louisiana...
Bionic, if you work so much down in Mexico, why don't you want your family to move there? Less of a commute, wouldn't you think? Take that reason and apply it to why so many Mexicans want to come to the US - for the same reason you want to stay here.
There's parts of Mexico I wouldn't have problems living in. My wife and I were actually looking for a vacation home in Cancun the last time we were down there. Mexicans come here for opportunity, not to influence people to speak their language.
I understand Spanish better than I understand some of that swamp land Cajun they speak in Louisiana.
 
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