Starting new tank, please help????

kristi518

Member
I have a 60 gallon tank in which I put about 4 inches for coral for the base. I recently added about 20lbs of live rock and three yellowtail blue damsels to help the cycling process. I have done all of this under the advice of the LFS but after reading some of other people threads I think that I might have not started off on the right foot. I have done a lot research but for some reason when I go to the LFS I listen to them. I also wanted to know why some people say to use LS instead of coral??? What is the reason for this?? Please help, I feel like I have done everything wrong!!!
 

ameno

Active Member
welcome to the board
you should use live sand instead on crushed coral, live sand is a good filter system and has the bacteria needed to help with the tank cycle. crushed coral does not do this and the sand sifting inverts can not work the coral like with sand. also using fish for cycle is not good, the live sand can help with the cycle and for more bacteria if need you could add a raw shrimp
 

kristi518

Member
After reading different threads about coral and live sand I know now but now I don't know what to do with the 95lbs of coral that I have. I really don't know why the LFS told me to use coral, I am getting more and more upset with the advice that they have been giving me.
 

imfsub12

Member
Originally Posted by Kristi518
After reading different threads about coral and live sand I know now but now I don't know what to do with the 95lbs of coral that I have. I really don't know why the LFS told me to use coral, I am getting more and more upset with the advice that they have been giving me.
I got the same advice when i stated.. got the CC (crushed coral) and people to me the same thing... but i have been up and running for 10 months now and my system is fine... i do regular cleaning ever 2 weeks... to clean out the CC.. all my parameter are fine for my system..
my 2 cents
 

ameno

Active Member
I know what you mean, my LFS tried to sell me crushed coral on my last tank set-up, saying it was fine, sometimes there just in the business of selling and loss track on what is the correct way of doing things.
If you research on here before buying anything you will find what you need, there's a lot of knowlege here from people that just love the hobby and want to help other people.
good luck, and if you need any help just ask somebody will have the right answer
 
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regina13

Guest
I would change to sand now if you can because i think it is hard to clean CC (if you want it totally clean like me)and it limits you to the thing you can have in your tank such as sand sifters.
oh and dont listen to most pet stores they are in it for the money!
 

grumpygils

Active Member
Originally Posted by Kristi518
I have a 60 gallon tank in which I put about 4 inches for coral for the base. I recently added about 20lbs of live rock and three yellowtail blue damsels to help the cycling process. I have done all of this under the advice of the LFS but after reading some of other people threads I think that I might have not started off on the right foot. I have done a lot research but for some reason when I go to the LFS I listen to them. I also wanted to know why some people say to use LS instead of coral??? What is the reason for this?? Please help, I feel like I have done everything wrong!!!
Kristi,
Welcome to the boards. The attached thread should give you a ton to read about.
Mc
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/show...7&page=3&pp=10
 

kristi518

Member
I want to switch to LS but what can I do with all the freaken CC that I have. Can I sell it or is it not worth anything because it has been exposed to water??? I don't think that the LFS will take back the 95lbs of CC that I purchased from them. What do you guys think?
 

andy51632

Member
No they won't take it back. Do you have any other tanks? It would be a good substrate for a African cichlid tank. If not you probally can advertise in paper or e-bay to sell.
What kind of salt tank or you going for, Reef? Fish only? If it is a fish only you would probally be alright using it if you vacuum it frequently. If some day you want a reef in that tank you need to remove it.
 

mcbdz

Active Member

I had several people give me some ideas when I asked this question. I may forget some , but here goes.
1. make DIY base rocks with it.
2. use it in a calcium reactor( I think this is what I'm going to do)
3. rinse the salt off and use it in your flower beds
Maybe some others will add to the list.
 

matt b

Active Member
ls is def better and plz dont do anything ur lfs says 90% of the time they have no idea what there talking about
 

scotts

Active Member
First off welcome to the board. Many of ust started off by just listening to out lfs. Here is a thread that I wrote once welcoming newbies like you here. https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=205584
Don't feel bad about the money you spent on your CC. When I had a problem I would go to the lfs and they had a miracle $20 bottle to cure my problem. Another problem another $20 bottle. Then I found this site and learned how to take care of a tank better and without the Miracle bottles. I hate to think of how much money I literally poured into my tank.
 

matt b

Active Member
ya like scotts said many ppl start off with the lfs i did to and all they did was try to sell sell and sell
 

wfd1008

Member
you can take this as you wish. i agree with most of what everyone says about lfs, but if they wanted just the almighty dollar, they would try to sell you the live sand cause it does cost alot more than cc. i've had some try to sell me the ls, so i don't think that that is always the case. i do agree that several people working at lfs have the same stuff coming out of both of their holes, but i do believe that you need to "shop" around for a good lfs that really knows their stuff. there are a few out there believe it or not. as far as either ls or cc, well i first have to say that the look of ls sand is hard to beat, and i love it. but i have three reff tanks and all of them have cc cause i tried the ls route, and everytime i did a cleaning, alot of the sand ended up in my waste water bucket, so i said the heck with it and went to cc. maybe i was doing something wrong, but what done is done. IMO-its what ever you want. enjoy the tank, and good luck.
 

wfd1008

Member
Originally Posted by Kristi518
hmm, what to do.... I kinda want to make base rock now, sounds fun.
go for it, you have plenty to try it with. let me know how it goes.
 

r3markey

New Member
I should post, for anybody that read all those other pages for DIY base rock, for the best concrete/mortar that will last in saltwater: (saltwater is corrosive to concrete)

1: Use the least amount of water that you can that will allow workability and still stick together. The water-to-cement ratio should not exceed a 0.40 ratio.
2: Make sure the sand is moist that you use to mold it around so it doesn't suck the water from the concrete mix, changing the water to cement ratio.
3: Regardless of the temperature (still above freezing, preferred 70degF), keep the concrete moist but not wet for roughly 7 days (if you can stand to wait that long) before removing from "mold", then start curing in fresh water(for 28 days best). "Drying" concrete makes for poor/weak concrete!
4: If you have access to air entrainment admixture, use about 6%, (it makes it so that you can use less water, and stronger.) not typicaly available though.
5: Use type II portland cement, or if available, use type V cement. Type II is much more typical and available. Quickcrete would be fine if it is with a type II or type I/II with very little water added, probably too much aggregate though for this application.
For this application a type II portland cement with any sort of aggregates and/or sand/crushed coral and a little water will yield best results. By letting it cure in moisture before removing it from the mold it will be less likely to deteriorate after you finally get your tank up and growing, it would be a shame if it started flaking off once it's established.
You'll have to play with the mix ratios depending on what materials you are using, but the drier the better with it still sticking together. Once you get cement wet, the chemical reaction starts and it is setting up, so work quickly, don't re-wet, and don't re-mix if at all possible.
That's probably more than anybody needed or wanted to know about cement and concrete, but now you know in case you ever wondered. If I missed something or wasn't clear about something, feel free to message me with questions, I'll try to help if possible.
-Bob
 

kristi518

Member
So I am going to switch to ls as soon as I am done making my base rock and buying more lr. But I just tested my ph this morning and it seems to continue to drop. I know that my tank is cycling but why would the ph be dropping?? I bought some ph buffer to help raise it but it does not seem to be working?? I did not think that ph dropped during the cycling process but I might be mistaken,please help!!!
 
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