Starting of a Tank

pallan

pallan

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Originally Posted by Pontius
black ich is NOT true ich, it is completely different. formalin baths is the treatment for black ich (I know from personal experience). you don't do formalin baths in the QT, you remove the fish into a 5 gallon bucket for 45 minutes a day and treat there, then return the fish to the QT. then repeat the process everyday until the black ich is gone.
learn somthing new everyday in this hobby. hopeully i dont have to experience it. Thanks
 
pontius

pontius

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it is very common in yellow tangs, as is HLLE (this is common in ALL tangs). the best way to treat HLLE is a grounding probe and soaking food in Zoecon. I had both these problems when I first got my yellow tang, they were fixed with no problem.
 
mrdc

mrdc

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I asked the lFS store one time what the black dots were on a fish and he said black ich. He said he wasn't concerned on ficing him. I did follow pontius advice and use a grounding probe and interchange Zoecon and Vita-Chem. My question is if it is important to add Zoecon or Vita-chem every time you feed? I soak my seaweed and mysis shrimp every time I feed. I didn't know if this was overkill or not.
 
pontius

pontius

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I alternate flake food with frozen food. I soak the frozen food, not the flake food. I don't think it's necessary to do every time, but if I had a fish with HLLE, I'd use it everytime until the symptoms were gone.
as far as black ich, I'm not sure whether or not it's fatal. I just knew immediately when my yellow tang got it, and I cured it. the formalin baths aren't much trouble at all.
 
kjord97

kjord97

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Man i am glad the tang police have nevr come after me as i have a
1 hippo
1 sailfin
1 yellow
1 bannerfish
2 maroons
1 mandrine
1 clown goby
1 purple speck goby
1 fuzzy dwark lionfish
1 3 strip damsel
1 yellow tail damsel
all in the same 125 gal reef tank.
 
mikeyjer

mikeyjer

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Originally Posted by Pontius
an expert in saltwater fish, Michael Scott, says that no tang should be kept in less than 75 gallons.
That's his comment, other experts have said something different for each individual tang. IF we all base everything on one person's comment, we never get anywhere!!! It's all trial and error, that's how we learn. But I would go for 75+ gallons. As for the tang police, you can make your comments and let people know how it is done, but there's no need to get after someone for making errors, just help them to correct instead of being rude and all. If they listen, Great! If not, that's their own problem and they should find a solution to their problem on their own or else where before killing more fish. We're ALL here to learn, not trying to override one another. :happyfish
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
That's his comment, other experts have said something different for each individual tang.

Scott W Michael is an internationally recognized writer, underwater photographer, and marine biology researcher specializing in fishes of the coral reef. He is a regular contributor to Aquarium Fish Magazine and SeaScope and is the author of the Reef Fishes series, Reef Sharks and Rays of the World and Aquarium Sharks and Rays. He has studied marine biology at the University of Nebraska and has been involved in research projects on sharks, rays, frogfishes, and the behavior of reef fishes. He has also served as scientific consultant for National Geographic Explorer, the Discovery Channel, and French educational television. A marine aquarist since boyhood, he has accumulated more than 25 years' experience observing tropical fishes in captivity and in their native habitats worldwide.
that's the credentials of an expert that knows a thing or two about fish. I've yet to read anything by anyone who has that kind of expertise. he recommends a "minimum" of 75 gallons for a yellow tang, that's scripture as far as I'm concerned. 20 gallons difference may not seem like much, but it's a big difference for an 8 inch fish in an aquarium half filled with rock. can a yellow tang be "kept alive" in a 55 gallon? sure. but for most the hobby is about quality, not keeping an animal alive in misery.
 
mikeyjer

mikeyjer

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Originally Posted by Pontius
I wouldn't pass his comment over that easily. he's not just a guy that posts his opinions on a messageboard, he is easily one of the foremost authorities on marine fish in the entire world. there are many people with expertise enough to write books on how to setup and maintain an aquarium, there are few that have the expertise as far as fish go that Michael has. the 75 gallons he recommends is the "minimum". does that mean that a yellow tang can't be kept alive in a 55 gallon? no. but 20 gallons difference is a big difference for an 8 inch fish in an aquarium that is over half full of rocks.
Others have said it's not the gallonage, it's the length that matters. Not saying he's wrong or anything, but there's still different comments to be made. :happyfish
 
pontius

pontius

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a 55 gallon tank with a good amount of live rock and sand will actually have around 40 gallons of water.
like I went back and edited above, Scott Michael is not some guy that woke up one day and decided to write books about fish, he's one of the world's leading authorities on fish. if he says 75 gallons, that's all I need to know.
 
merredeth

merredeth

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Originally Posted by Pontius
how about this:
I love it!! I couldn't stop laughing when I read it. My poor husband thought I was nuts when he was rambling on the phone and I broke out in laugher.
Can you make Commandment #12 "Thou shalt OBEY the wife?"
That was the funniest thing I've seen in awhile. Did you user your church board for that?
For those that aren't part of the Tang Police here is an illustration for you:
I love my super king sized waterbed. This bed allows my husband and I to stretch out at night and no one is shoved in a corner or on the edge of the bed.
One night recently, we tried to sleep in a double bed when traveling. Both of us were miserable, as we felt confined and which brought on restlessness because neither of us could really spread out like we both do normally. Neither one of us slept well. Both of us woke up cranky, groggy and stiff.
Fish are the same way. They come from an ocean with endless miles to roam and spread out. Whe as humans capture them and they now depend on us to provide all their creature comforts. The very least we can do is provide them housing that allows them to stretch out as much as possible, and allow them to live life as normally as possible living in a glass tank.
I'm done preaching...

Denise M.
 
merredeth

merredeth

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Originally Posted by Pontius
that sign is from churchsigngenerator . com, just go there and can do whatever message
I'm going to use that for a great joke on my hubby.
Thanks,
Denise
 
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