Startup Aquarium

ao72689

New Member
Hello all,
I am looking to startup a new saltwater aquarium. What is the best size tank? I was thinking 38 or 55 (possibly more). What fish are good startups and can be friendly towards each other? How many fish should I have and are live coral/rock a good idea? Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thank you!
 

ao72689

New Member
After doing some research it seems as though its best to go with a FOWLR tank? As far as fish go, I would like a couple clownfish, a tang or two, and some other cool fish. Also, I think I'm going to do a 72 gallon instead of 55. Any suggestions?
Thank you
 

mproctor4

Member
Hi, welcome to the site! Are you eventually wanting to add some corals? Many people feel more comfortable starting with FOWLR and eventually changing over to a reef tank. If that is a possibility you many want to stick with reef safe fish so you don't have to take them out of the tank later. IMO a bigger tank is definately better. A 72 gallon is too small for most tangs. You definately should not put two tangs in there. A Kole tang (aka yellow eye tang) would be fine in a 72 gallon. There are many easy corals that don't have super high lighting requirements that would do well with the clowns and poss. tang you are interested in. I personally like dwarf angels also, they add alot of color. Most of them are reef safe also. What about a small group (3-5) of blue or green chromis? They add alot of movement to tanks. I would stay away from damsels, they get aggressive. The yellow tail damsels aren't as bad but many people still regret adding them.
You will also need a clean up crew. Have you decided what kind of substrate you are going to use? A requirement for my tank is always a skunk cleaner shrimp. If you are interested shrimp make sure you add them before any type of fish that many be interested in making a meal out of it, ie. triggers or hawk fish. Usually if the shrimp is established in the tank first, they will usually leave it alone. Add it later and it may be lunch.
 

ao72689

New Member
Thanks for the reply! I originally did want to add live coral like anemones or something of that nature. As for the tang, I really just wanted one, the blue hippo tang. The dwarf angels look pretty neat esp. the flame angel! Thanks for the suggestions there. How many fish should there be in a 72g tank?
For the cleanup crew and the substrate I am not too sure what to go with. Any suggestions?
Thanks again!
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by ao72689 http:///t/387862/startup-aquarium#post_3416154
Thanks for the reply! I originally did want to add live coral like anemones or something of that nature. As for the tang, I really just wanted one, the blue hippo tang. The dwarf angels look pretty neat esp. the flame angel! Thanks for the suggestions there. How many fish should there be in a 72g tank?
For the cleanup crew and the substrate I am not too sure what to go with. Any suggestions?
Thanks again!
Hi and again Welcome to the forum,
If you want tangs...you want a 6 foot tank. The bigger the tank the easier it will be to keep the water parameters in range, the smaller the tank the harder to keep the levels perfect.. If you want coral get the best lighting you can afford right off. Otherwise you waste money on upgrading. Metal Halides are what was big in my day...now they have T5HO and LEDs...they won't make the light dance on the water , MH lighting will, but it will keep coral alive.
An anemone is not a coral, it is an invertebrate, your tank will have to mature at least 6 months before you can add one of those safely, and keep it alive.
Absolutly you need sand and live rock. You can save some money by purchasing dry rock and only a few live rocks to seed it. Don't get crushed coral substrate. Get either live or dry aragonite sand (sugar sized)
Do read the 101 tips at the top of the new hobbyists forum to help you get started. Keeping a reef is as easy as fish only. Get your own Master test kits, the lab type, never strips.
 

mproctor4

Member
An anemones require very high lighting (ie. expensive). It will also need a very stable, well established tank. Most recommend waiting at least a year to add an anemone. Keep in mind anemones move around your tank to find their happy place. You won't want other corals in the way that it can sting. Our clowns have hosted zoas, hammers, and frogspawn. All of these should do well in a fairly new tank and with t5 lighting. You could add them a month or two after your cycle is finished and they would do fine.
Hippo tangs are beautiful. Unfortunately a 72g is really too small for them. They recommend at least a 150g for a large hippo. It will take years to get to that size but eventually will need a very big tank. You could get a small hippo but you will need to keep in mind you will eventually have to upgrade your tank or get rid of the tang. Also, small hippo have a very low survival rate in captivity. You would have better luck buying one a little bit bigger, but you couldn't keep it as long. Personally, I get too attached to my fish to buy them knowing I will have to get rid of them. If you have your heart set on a hippo maybe you could start with a larger tank. I would not go any smaller than a 90 and that is not really ideal for a hippo. You will be amazed how fast your tank will fill up!!
It is hard to say how many fish you can have in a 72g. There isn't a formula you can use. Many factors to consider: shape of tank, how much live rock is in it, temperament of fish you have. I would recommend looking through this site and LFS and seeing what you like. Make a list and run it by people here. Some prefer larger fish and that would mean you could have less. Some people like a tank full of small, colorful fish. Others like to have a "show piece" fish and then several smaller fish. Personally, I like one or two show fish and then lots of small, colorfull fish that move in and out of the rocks.
Substrate. It is all a matter of personal taste. Bare bottom, sand, agronite, or crush coral (not usually recommended because it tends to trap food/waste particles). We have our QT bare bottom (always recommend that), two tanks with sand, and two with agronite. If you have your heart set on a fish that is a sand sifter, than obviously you will want sand. I will mention that we did a tank once in black sand. We liked the idea of it because our tank was black. Our trusty LFS guy told us several times he didn't think we would like it and boy was he right! It looked great until we started adding corals. It absorbed the light rather than reflecting it and it washed out the colors of the corals. We were much happier when we changed it to agronite.
The best advice I can give you is to go slow and research first, which it appears you are doing. I would recommend setting up a QT tank before doing anything else. You can get a cheapy tank, light, and hang on the back filter and get it started cycling while you are setting up your main tank. You will NEVER regret that you did that. If you have a friend or even a LFS that would give you a handful or substrate or some floss out of their filter it will help it cycle a little faster. There is nothing more heartbreaking then seeing a tank full of fish that you have become very attached to die and there isn't anything you can do. If you QT everything first and then keep the tank for an emergency hospital tank you will always have a back up plan. If you use the QT religiously, you may never need a hospital tank. Trust me, I have been there done that, it is not worth rushing things. In the long run it will save you time, money, and a lot of heartbreak. There are thousands of references on this site about how to set up a QT. It is incredibly hard to be patient and QT but in the end it will be one of the best things you can ever do. You will find this hobby requires alot of patience!
 

mproctor4

Member
I saw Flowers response after I posted. She is absolutely right about the lighting. Decide what type of corals you may someday want to add and try to get the type of lighting it needs now. In the long run it will be cheaper rather than updating lights later. The only exception is if you find a great deal on a used tank or a package deal at the LFS that already comes with lights. If you just start with fish only any light would be fine for them but you would need to upgrade later. If you are customizing your tank and buying each piece separately, you would be better off to get what you want right up front.
 

ao72689

New Member
Thanks again for all your input! Making this a lot easier for me to get accustomed to this process. Looks like tangs are out of the question, for now.
I decided to go with some live-rock and sand, looks like it adds a whole other dimension to a tank and looks really cool. Any recommendations on which live rock and sand are best? Or maybe good combos between the two? Also, how many lbs of sand for a tank (still hovering between 55 and 75 gallon tanks).
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by ao72689 http:///t/387862/startup-aquarium#post_3416210
Thanks again for all your input! Making this a lot easier for me to get accustomed to this process. Looks like tangs are out of the question, for now.
I decided to go with some live-rock and sand, looks like it adds a whole other dimension to a tank and looks really cool. Any recommendations on which live rock and sand are best? Or maybe good combos between the two? Also, how many lbs of sand for a tank (still hovering between 55 and 75 gallon tanks).
A 55g tank is very narrow, you will be happier with the 75g believe me, I have had both. They take the same size lights and power heads, but the 75g is wider making it the better choice.
The live reef sand sold by SWF.com is the best live sand I've found anywhere. 1 pound per gallon of tank. Put your rock in first and then the sand around it...you can't build on shifting sand, a rock slide may kill critters, or break the tank. I hand picked every rock in my tank. Look for nooks and crannies and nice shapes..(I went for FiJi rock)...and as much as you can find with purple coraline already on it. Get some flat ledges, and branch rock really looks nice, but not too much, just a few pieces.
Hope this helps.
 

ao72689

New Member
I have a lead on a 75g tank. This is what it comes with :
75 gallon tank
stand
lights/hood
Wet/Dry sump filter with bioballs
protein skimmer
return pump
2 power heads
heaters
Is this what I need for the setup? (Minus live rock and sand)
 

mproctor4

Member
You will be much happier with a 75. If you go to the store section of this web site and click on live rock/live sand, at the very bottom of the page is a calculator. You type in the dimensions of your tank and how deep you would like your sandbed to be and it will tell you how many pounds of sand you need to buy. Sand is the same as live rock, you can buy some live and some dry to save money. The live sand will seed the dry sand and eventually it will all be live. You can also put eggcrate directly on the bottom of your tank before adding rock and sand for added stability. You can usually find this at any home improvement store in the lighting area.
 

teresaq

Active Member
that looks like a good start- depending on what brand the skimmer is?? you might have to upgrade, but you may also get a good one in the deal.
For rock, you can do mostly dry base rock like marco rock, then add several lbs of live rock like they sell here. It will seed your base rock.
You can do the same with sand, don't bother with bagged live sand. just buy dry aggregate and seed it with real live sand like from here. Real live sand has pods and such in it, where the bagged stuff just has bacteria.
 

mproctor4

Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by ao72689 http:///t/387862/startup-aquarium#post_3416272
I have a lead on a 75g tank. This is what it comes with :
75 gallon tank
stand
lights/hood
Wet/Dry sump filter with bioballs
protein skimmer
return pump
2 power heads
heaters
Is this what I need for the setup? (Minus live rock and sand)
Find out what kind of lights. You can get started with a wet/dry filter but may want to look into a refugium, esp. if you want corals. A refugium will help keep your nitrates low, they tend to be higher in systems with bioballs. Do you want a canopy on your tank? You could always buy or make on later but that may help in your decision now. I bought my tank on an impulse, I knew I wanted another tank soon and stumbled across the one I have. I was so excited I bought it without thinking it through completely. I really wish I would have looked a bit more and bought a stand with more room under it and a canopy. Couple of weeks later I heard of a tank the same size as mine with a MUCH nicer stand and a canopy for the same money. Also is the tank predrilled or does it have an external overflow system? The predrilled are nicer and cleaner looking. I have an external overflow and I don't mind it but many people aren't happy with that. If/when I buy another tank my biggest factor will be the stand---is there enough room under there to hold everything, get the refugium in an out, and work on things easily? I really want to add a large refugium now but would have to completely tear down my tank to add it, I am not willing to do that right now. A friend of ours has a 125 and he built his own stand. It has 2 large doors that allow you to access the entire area under the tank---you could sleep under there with no problem. I would love to be able to that! To put anything under my stand we have to tear some of it apart, and it is still very difficult. Not trying to discourage you in anyway........it may be an awesome set up, just trying to give you some things to think about.
 

kiefers

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by ao72689 http:///t/387862/startup-aquarium#post_3416272
I have a lead on a 75g tank. This is what it comes with :
75 gallon tank
stand
lights/hood
Wet/Dry sump filter with bioballs
protein skimmer
return pump
2 power heads
heaters
Is this what I need for the setup? (Minus live rock and sand)
Personally, you really don't need anything else at this time other than sand/ or substrate, and Live Rock. get it ready for the cycle and read up on the 3 links on the new hobbyist forum. Start off with the cycle thread. oh..... and Welcome to the site.
 
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