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green m0ray

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i've done searches on hypo, and seen alot of people refering to it what does hypo mean? the reason for my inquiry is two of my fish (coral beauty and butterfly fish) has ick and the guy at the lfs gave me something called greenex, i decided to treat the whole tank instead of quarantine since it's a fish only tank. is this stuff good or do you guys recommend that i use another treatment? i also plan on buying about 5 skunk cleaner shrimp today to pick off the white spots. Is this the right process to treat this or do you guys have any suggestions. any help would be much appreciated.
tank specs
100 gallon
hydrometer 120
fishes
coral beauty
butterfly fish
scobia tang
no invertabrates or live rock, just live sand and coral.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Don't put inverts in a tank with greenx. Do a large water change and use cabon filtration to get the greenx out. No need for the cleaners. Just perform the hyposalinity.
 

green m0ray

Member
i have bought this stuff that the lfs guy recommended (greenex and odinex) and it's not very effective. i decided to screw the live sand, i can always buy some live rock to put in there.. i did a 40% water change, and dropped it down to .009 from .17 gradually. took me about 4 hours to fill water back up in tank. but so far the fish seem less stressed. i will follow above instructions and leave salinity for 3 weeks. thanks soo much for your help. it makes me feel really guilty when i lose a fish. hopefully all will go well.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
You might decide to "screw" the LR, but the die off from the screwed live rock, and all the critters that come with the LR may just "screw" the quality of your water in your tank.
Hyposalinity should be achieved slowly, otherwise your fish will be very stressed.
Here is the procedure:
O.S.T. stands for Osmotic Shock Therapy which is commonly referred to in the hobby as hyposalinity [water that is deficient in sea salt]. Essentially, O.S.T. simply places the infectors [Cryptocaryon parasite---ick/ich] in an environment in which they cannot survive while the host, (or infected fish) can. This remedy WILL NOT work in reef systems, invert tanks or FOWLR as it incorporates lowering the specific gravity of the entire system to 1.009 Specific Gravity which is not tolerated by inverts or LR.
To drop the salinity, this is done as you would do a normal water change. However, you are simply replenishing your tank with fresh RO/DI water---not salt water! Monitor the lowering closely so as to not reduce it too fast. Usually over a period of 48 hours is fine. The bacteria colony which is the biological support for your tank will survive, the fish will be perfectly fine, but the ich will not. By lowering the salinity, you will also be lowering the osmotic pressure of the water. Boney fish tolerate this treatment very well, in fact, once the water become hyposaline, you will likely note a significant improvement in your fish health and appetite. There is no reason to fear this treatment. You can do a water-change out, in small increments every half hr or so.
Your goal is to drop the specific gravity to 1.009 [48-hrs] gradually. Once all signs of the parasite are gone, then keep your fish in this hypo-saline water for 3-4 wks. If all is well, then you can gradually [over the course of 4-5 days] bring the specific gravity [salinity] back up to normal levels . If all is well after a week, then return the fish to their main tank.
When the fish are eating, offer them quality and varied food soaked in garlic, zoe/zoecon, vitamin C.
 

green m0ray

Member
dang, i guess i dropped it too fast then if it takes 48 hrs. you are right beth when you said fishes appetite did improve. and they are hiding less. so how long will it take usually before the white spots start falling off the fish? i'm holding off for a whole day before i start feeding them again (frozen, marine cuisine, and the other frozen veggie stuff), but hopefully the whites spots will be gone.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
If they will eat, then feed them. Sick fish need food. Hyposalinity does not start to work until the ich cycles thru to the free swimming stage. This means that the spots will remain on the fish thru their life cycle. Hypo will not allow the parasite to reproduce. Ich only has a life cycle of around 3 wks.
 

green m0ray

Member
i just wanted to give you all an update on my fish, they are all eating well, and are alot more active then before treatment (hypo). but white spots still remain, i think it's only been 3 or 4 days so have to give that some time to fall off. i'll probably stick with this hypo thing for about 6 weeks to make sure that my tank is completely clean. hehe, i went to get a 10 gallon quarantine tank yesterday and ordered a uv steralizer 36w to make sure this pain in the a55 doesn't happen again. i just wanted to thank you guys for the help and giving me a method of saving my fish.
 
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