Sugar in a FOWLR

timbodmb

Member
Hey guys-
Sorry to be reporting late... death in the family on monday, so I've been in CT-
To my surprise, we are now at 10ppm...
I'm going to sprinkle a bit more to see if we can get it to 0ppm.
I'll follow-up in 2 days.
 

kjr_trig

Active Member
Can't let you guys have all the fun....I'm in.
I am at about 40 ppm now, and going on vacation in 2 weeks and thought I would try to get it down in case my housesitter overfeeds
Not to mention it a drop might decrease my red algae growth.
I have roughly 280 total gallons, I added just over a teaspoon today and will go every other day for a few and see what happens.
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
I've done this (sugar dosing) for about a week because I'm trying to get phosphates, silicates and nitrates out of some live rock and sand in a tank I'm breaking down as I may use this rock in my 144 HC. I will say that my skimmer picks up some VERY thick skimmate now and I've been stirring the sandbed frequently. Since there's no fish I put 4 VERY high flow powerheads (for a 20long anyway and one of them has an aeration tube.) I've yet to ever really have issues with nitrates (used many test kits and independent tests because I thought mine just sucked), but I've had issues with phosphates so I have had to frequently spend lots of money in the past sponging that crap out... With the sugar dosing my nitrates are untestable and phosphates are almost untestable. This stuff is ridiculous, but I'm wary of vodka dosing as I don't want any fish getting a DWI after crashing into a rock. LOL.
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2667587
Can't let you guys have all the fun....I'm in.
I am at about 40 ppm now, and going on vacation in 2 weeks and thought I would try to get it down in case my housesitter overfeeds
Not to mention it a drop might decrease my red algae growth.
I have roughly 280 total gallons, I added just over a teaspoon today and will go every other day for a few and see what happens.
Whenever I go on vacation, my stuff always seems to get overfed (I don't mind my dart frogs and stuff getting overfed, but its not like they're gonna compensate by doing my water changes while overfeeding my SW tanks!!!)
 

ironeagle2006

Active Member
I was doubting this worked also then I cjhecked my NO3 3 days again sitting at 100 PPM so I was like WTH seems to be working for everyone else. I added one teaspoon to my 150 and today rechecked down to 50 so I am going to add another teaspoon in a bit and drop them some more.
 

fats71

Active Member
125 parameters
/u1y 1st
130 a.m.
temp 80f
trates -30
ph -8.4
a14 -2.0
trite -0.1
amm -0.25
went to dose and found out we do not use sugar for anything... OMG where do I 1ive...
O4, so off to the store tomorrow...
sorry about numbers my 4eyboard is having issues.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2669813
125 parameters
/u1y 1st
130 a.m.
temp 80f
trates -30
ph -8.4
a14 -2.0
trite -0.1
amm -0.25
went to dose and found out we do not use sugar for anything... OMG where do I 1ive...
O4, so off to the store tomorrow...
sorry about numbers my 4eyboard is having issues.
And so it begins. This was my fear with this whole thing.
Fats do research on this. Why do you have ammonia and nitrites STILL?
 

prime311

Active Member
Dosing isn't going to help measurable levels of Ammonia or nitrite since it only fuels anaerobic bacteria growth which reduce Nitrates and Phosphates. Ammonia and Nitrite are processed by aerobic bacteria. I think as Sep is alluding, if you have problems with Ammonia/Nitrite you need to find the source of the problem.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian http:///forum/post/2669847
And so it begins. This was my fear with this whole thing.
Fats do research on this. Why do you have ammonia and nitrites STILL?
Sure; this will be seen as a quick-fix or miracle cure for everyone. Its too bad every thread can't start with a disclaimer. This is like getting 20 posts into discussing weaning a lionfish and finding out he's in a 20 gal with 3 triggers. IMO, there seems to be a place for sugar-dosing; but certainly not for every tank/all the time. I think I know what sepulatian is referring to; the quick-fix syndrome. However; I wish we should also kill the myth than any nitrates are bad in a no invert/coral tank. Also IMO, there are cases where traditional methods of lowering nitrates don't work. I've read a lot on this sugar stuff at a couple locations and am convinced it has merit, but only for otherwise healthy, established tanks.
To Fats71: If your profile is current and you have no inverts/coral; then 30 ppm nitrates is nothing to be concerned about. However; ANY ammonia or nitrite,in an established tank, is a major problem. I'd suggest you read up on the whole nitrogen cycle and deal with the main problem. BTW, how long has your tank been set-up? Maybe you're still cycling. Here's a good, very basic thread to read:https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/116184/saltwater-aquariums-101-the-cycle
 

fats71

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2669847
And so it begins. This was my fear with this whole thing.
Fats do research on this. Why do you have ammonia and nitrites STILL?
This is a new tan4
and your fear was me trying it ?
125 FO1WER
SFE
Dozen damses 6 domino and 6 ye11ow tai1
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2670220
This is a new tan4
and your fear was me trying it ?
125 FO1WER
SFE
Dozen damses 6 domino and 6 ye11ow tai1
No, not you. Just the whole bandwagon/quick fix scenario.
How is the other tank doing?
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2670220
This is a new tan4
and your fear was me trying it ?
125 FO1WER
SFE
Dozen damses 6 domino and 6 ye11ow tai1
Sepulatian will address her fears, I hope.
Cycling with live fish is not the way to go; but as long as you're started: IMO, the eel is in trouble, I know little about them, but don't think they handle the ammonia and nitrite the way damsels do. I wouldn't even be concerned about nitrates until your ammonia & nitrites are at "0". In fact, you should have some nitrates right now and they won't hurt the fish. IMO, possible use of sugar dosing should be only used as a last resort in well established tanks. It is way too new to be a general practice; and who knows how it will effect your cycle. Just be patient and follow the cycle directions; and get the eel out, if you can.
 

kjr_trig

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2670229
No, not you. Just the whole bandwagon/quick fix scenario.
How is the other tank doing?

Not sure why you view this as a "quick fix" scenerio?? Is it any different from putting amquel into tap water or adding buffer or anything else to the tank to improve water quality....I am doing it in hopes that it will decrease nuisance algae growth without having to deal with the hassle of an RO/DI system, yes I am more worried about the hassle of doing 25 gallon weekly water changes with RO/DI than the cost of it. In a FOWLR, I just don't see how you view this negatively, as long as you have good flow and a good skimmer....Please explain.

I may be wrong SrFisher, but I actually think a SFE is every bit as hardy as a damsal, but I still would never cycle with one in there.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2670245
Not sure why you view this as a "quick fix" scenerio?? Is it any different from putting amquel into tap water or adding buffer or anything else to the tank to improve water quality....I am doing it in hopes that it will decrease nuisance algae growth without having to deal with the hassle of an RO/DI system, yes I am more worried about the hassle of doing 25 gallon weekly water changes with RO/DI than the cost of it. In a FOWLR, I just don't see how you view this negatively....Please explain.

I may be wrong SrFisher, but I actually think a SFE is every bit as hardy as a damsal, but I still would never cycle with one in there.
I don't view dosing sugar negatively in an established system, at all. I do see it becoming a problem, as with dosing vodka or anything else, if people do not do it correctly or do it without knowing how and why it is working. As with everything, you have to know what you are doing and do it correctly. Let's use Amquel as an example, it is recommended for detoxifying tap water and ammonia. That does not mean that you can use it in tap that has high readings of metals, ammonia, phosphates, and goodness knows what else, and it will make the water perfectly safe for your tank. You have to know what a product does and how to use it. I just feel that it is important to do it correctly rather than seeing this new discovery and jumping in. That is all. No offence to anyone or this method.
 

kjr_trig

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2670264
I don't view dosing sugar negatively in an established system, at all. I do see it becoming a problem, as with dosing vodka or anything else, if people do not do it correctly or do it without knowing how and why it is working. As with everything, you have to know what you are doing and do it correctly. Let's use Amquel as an example, it is recommended for detoxifying tap water and ammonia. That does not mean that you can use it in tap that has high readings of metals, ammonia, phosphates, and goodness knows what else, and it will make the water perfectly safe for your tank. You have to know what a product does and how to use it. I just feel that it is important to do it correctly rather than seeing this new discovery and jumping in. That is all. No offence to anyone or this method.
Thanks for explaining, and you are of course right...There is no substitute for proper care for any system, and knowing how, what, and why anything works or helps.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
kjr_trig is right on the eel. I said I knew little about them, then gave an opinon before doing research...pretty stupid of me.
 
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