Sump Question

madandgloa

New Member
I have a 55 gallon reef tank and I want to get most of the electrical stuff out of it. I do not want to drain the tank and drill, (but it is an option). Can I simply pump water from my main tank into a 10 gallon tank and then use a powwerhead in the 10 gallon to pump back to the main? I guess I could put a j type tube over the side of the main and syphon into the 10 gallon and then pump water back in the same way. My palns were also to put my skimmer and my hang on bio-wheel filter in the 10 gallon tank. Is this possible? I am on a small budget and want my tank to be healthy and look nice. Any help would be great.
 
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thomas712

Guest
Use an external overflow and a 20 gallon tank, I think a 10 gallon would be too small, even a 29/30 gallon would be good so if power goes out you have enough room to handle the drainage from the main tank. Use a good submersable pump in the sump to pump water back to the main.
Squidd would be a good one to talk to on this.
Thomas
 

madandgloa

New Member
So fill it half way and if the power goes out it will drain and fill but by the time it does it would have pulled the water level on the top tank below the pickup? I was going to try some kind of float valve to shut off the syphon in case of power outage. It seems the power here goes out about twice a week, sometimes for 5 sec. sometime for 20min.
 

scsinet

Active Member
An external overflow only siphons water out as it is introduced from the sump. The sump controls your systems water level. As water from the sump is pumped into the tank, it spills over the pickup edge of the overflow and gets whisked away to the sump. If the power fails, the sump stops pumping water in the tank, so the tank's water level drops below the pickup edge, and the water stops flowing.
Trust me, what we are saying sounds crazy but it works, and it's near impossible to describe to someone who hasn't seen it before until they see it in action. If you really want to understand it, go to your LFS and talk to them, they'll be able to show you. You don't have to buy anything from them, they'll talk to you if they think you will.
The only other thing you need to do is drill siphon breaks into your returns. WHen you install a sump, you inevitably plumb in pipes of some kind to return water from the sump to your tank, and those pipes dip into the main tank's water. You drill a small hole just above the waterline in the pipe. When the power is on, water just dribbles out of the hole into the tank. When the power fails, air gets pulled in and breaks the siphon.
However, when this happens, SOME water always siphons back in, depending on how big your siphon break holes are. A little more water comes from what's in the overflow until that stops, etc. Thomas is saying that your sump needs to have enough extra capacity to contain this water without overflowing when the water siphons back.
Take my advice... don't mess with check valves or fancy valves that stop a siphon. It's more parts to fail, and this very simple, non electronificated way of doing it works every time... and you're hearing this from a guy who once automated his desk in the 5th grade.
 

madandgloa

New Member
I am going to run two 1/2 in drains from the DT to the sump and one 3/4 return line. This seems like it will flow more water than my current filter does now. Will this be sufficient? I currently have a 55g tank and am building a 30 gallon sump/fuge. I am going to upgrade to a 75 gallon tank (sometime down the road) and am setting up the sump/fuge to accomodate the new tank once I get it. I see people using 1in drains and want to make sure my two 1/2 drains will be enough.
 

scsinet

Active Member
It's all about the area of a circle.
Keep in mind these measurements are not entirely accurate because the size of a pipe is it's outside diameter, and it's the inside that holds water.
A 1/2" drain gives you an area of 0.19635 square inches.
A 3/4" gives you 0.44179
A 1" gives you 0.7854
Effectively, each time you go up in pipe size (up to one inch), the amount of water you can put though it doubles.
I'd run 3/4 for good measure. Just for a frame of reference, I run a single 1" drain on my 55 and dual 1" drains on my 110 gallon.
Also, most PVC pipes comes in two wall thicknesses. I don't remember the ratings, but there is thin wall stuff and thick wall. The thin wall stuff is suitable for aquarium use in every aspect, and you get a little larger inside diameter so you can run more water through.
 
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