sump + skimmer vs. fuge + LR opinion please

krux

Member
I am getting ready to turn my 29 fowlr into my first reef expedition. let me preface by saying that the setup i buy i hope to be able to carry over into my next tank upgrade, in the 50-60 gallon range. ok here we go...
For approximately 300 dollars, i can buy a locally made, high quality sump, overflow, bioball, and return pump setup. also included in this price is an in sump protien skimmer (200 for sump, 100 for skimmer, purchased separately, can get a cheaper or more expensive skimmer as my final budget allows). This non-drilled solution will fit a standard sized stand (which i also will be buying, kitchen counter isnt gonna cut it any more). This system is rated according to the manufacturer/shop for 120 gallons.
Also for 300 dollars, i can purchase a 45 pound box of fiji LR, cured, "premium" live rock, a submersable pump, F.O.R.M. or MiracleMud, several species of algae, the plumbing for an over the tank gravity return, necessary drilling at the plastics shop, and a light to convert my 15 gallon acrylic into a refugium for the purpose of nitrate reduction and pod/algae production for main tank inhabitants. The LR would go in the main tank, and my assemblage of smaller pieces and rubble that currently provide habitat would move to the fuge.
Lighting will most likely be a CSL prizm pendant, 175w with 2 36 watt pc actinics.
My plan is to keep the 29 gallon for about a year, working on husbandry of some easier to keep soft corals, anenomes, mushrooms, sponges, and possibly some of the hardier LPS corals. I live near a coral propigator, and can get frags for 8 bucks, so i figured i would try my hand at several species and work on learning light placement, current placement etc before going to a larger, more expensive system.
My question is, assuming that i am not running a calcium reactor (plan to use a 2-part solution for the time being) or an ozone generator, does anyone see why one system would outperform the other? Keep in mind this will be my first attempt at anything other than fish, hermits, and snails, so i need the system to be as stable and disaster resistant as possible. Also keep in mind that I hope to transfer the rock and fuge, or the sump and skimmer, to a larger system in a year or two, once i move into a larger apartment where i will be staying for several years... most likely as stated above 60 or at a stretch 75 gallons max.
Thanks in advance for any advice or experience that you can share with me.
Ryan
 
$300 seems like alot for the sump set-up. You could get a glass aquarium, install baffles yourself (easy) and buy an overflow and in-sump skimmer for less than that. You shouldn't need the bioballs for a reef tank, especially if you are also going to have a refugium. You can set up a sump and a refugium in your cabinet, many people here have that set-up, including myself.
Good Luck
-Christine
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krux

Member
This was a vs. question, that is, one or the other, but not both. If i am going to use a fuge it is going to be diy, and i am planning to not at the same time run a sump and skimmer as that destroys the pods that i would be cultivating. the $300 included 45 pounds of LR, probably from the same source as you are thinking of, a pump to pum the water up the 2' of head, the bulkhead fittings, the ball valves, the pvc necessary to run back down, and a spray bar constructed from the swivel lock type tubing.
Yes 300 is high for a sump, but as i have no tools, no access to a shop, and as i am new in town do not know anyone with the things necessary to do such trivial things as trimming plexiglass, drilling holes for bulkheads and drip plates, and trimming scrap. This would leave me with projects i can do with a x-acto knife, or purchasing things seperately. An overflow of decent quality seems to run about 75 dollars, a pump with the pressure I have calculated I will need runs about 75, a skimmer runs about 100, and the plumbing runs between 35 and 50. throw in 15 dollars for a tank, 20 bucks for silicon, and 15 bucks for plexi scrap, and by my calculations, I will have reached approximately 335 to 350 dollars... and this is for a sloppy, no tool job. then I need a drill to make bulkhead holes and a drip plate, adding another 40 bucks if i can get a decent one on sale... so unless I'm overestimating on something, actually buying a sump pre-made that includes the overflow and return pump, as well as the skimmer for 300 seems to beat my diy ability.
Incidentally if anyone else happens to manufacture sumps and overflows, and can figure out a package that includes said sump, pump, overflow, and skimmer for under 300, I would be more than interested in talking to you.
Maybe I am wrong in assuming that I do not need to run both a sump and a refuge, After all many people here do seem to do both, but with limited space, and a limited tool resource, I think making a simple fuge is about the best i will be able to put together, leaving the balance for a good chunk of LR.
The main question is wether or not just a refugium will work as effeciently and allow as much leeway as a sump working in conjunction with a protien skimmer.
Thank you much for the input.... keep it coming please!
Ryan
 

krux

Member
thanks for the help jugger. im going to head to home depot tomorrow and see what i can fit in the shopping cart. The shopping list helps too.
 
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