SWF beginner packages with madrine goby!!??!!

deucey

Member
What is the deal with the SWF reef beginner packages having madrine gobies in them....i though these fish were for only well established reef tanks with a high pod population!! Can someone explain why they are including them in the beginner packages?? Just a matter of concern! <img src="graemlins//confused.gif" border="0" alt="[confused]" />
 

fishead

Member
dont know but i bought one and i'm researchin ways to keep it from starvin to death. dosent make much sence huh?
 

nm reef

Active Member
Tough question to answer.....but I will say this I would not suggest adding a manderian dragonette to a system that is not mature/stable and has a healhty pod population. From all I've seen and read they can be extremely difficult to maintain without proper conditions. That said....I have no idea why they are sold or for that matter purchased without the proper conditions.....but I do know that it happens a lot and the list of "ooooooo my ... my manderian is not doing well" topics are numerous. Care should be taken prior to adding one....they are difficult at best!!!
 

deucey

Member
yeah i know they are difficult that is why i don't understand why they are selling them in a beginners package with no note of haveing to have a good pod population........but oh well i don't know.....i hope some ppl read this before they make a mistake......
Hey fishead i have heard that you can buy pod packages......i am not sure where.....but i will try to find if you like.......
 

wamp

Active Member
I would disagree with alot of people on this subject.
1. Mandarins are not hard to keep. They just have special needs that must be meet.
2. The beginner packages are for people who have cycled reef tanks, not uncycled reefs.
The mandarins are fish that just need special foods found in reef tanks. If your tank has cycled and has a good amount of rock (thats the key), they should be just fine.
Not trying to start a war just stating my humble opinion..
Not saying if you just set your tank up you need one.
 

deucey

Member
so Wamp......do you think a Manderine Goby would do fine in my tank....you know the tank well enough.......what do you think....i donno how to do a pod count ...but i know i have some!
 

wamp

Active Member
I think it would be fine. The only thing is the amount of live rock. I kept one in a 20 (you know the one dave's got now) for over 2 years. I had about 30lbs of live rock in there. He was fat as can be. He died last year in the 180.. that was a sad day. He had been through 3 tanks.
I miss that little Guy..
You know, you should buy me one. I tell you what, I'll trade you a Sinularia for a mandarin... J/K :)
It is almost ready for your tank. Just don't tell chicken, I'll cut his later!
 

deucey

Member
HEY HEY......bring it on!!!....sounds good Wamp...you really think it would do well in my tank?? I have wanted one for a long time but i just donno.....i hate to have fish die!
 

wamp

Active Member
Just don't get it from, you know where, and I think it would be fine. He had some the other day , they didn't look so good.
Mandarins will also eat food that makes it to the bottom. Mine never came up for food but would scavange the bottom for it..
 

dad

Active Member
My 2 cents,
If you do get one, It will die due to starvation as others have said.
Why they sell them? I dunno!
I have killed fish and things just because of my ignorance or lack of knowledge.
I really think we all have. That is why we are here.
I see people all the time(at my lfs)buying things just because they are pretty or cool.
I just purchaced one three weeks ago. My tank is almost two years old and a 100g and I'm still concerned about it.
The only real reason I did get it was that my lfs asked to to buy it because he didn't want a beginner to buy it because he knew it would die!
May be a sellers gimic? I do not know.
If you do get it and it dies, please do not post it on the board. I do not want to hear people say "I told you so".
 

dinhouse

Member
If you do decide to buy one I would make sure that is eating. I have one and the only reason I bought it to put in my 55 is becasue I watched the little guy eat frozen brine before I bought it. they are not hard at all to keep! Despite what people say they can be kept in a tank under 100 gallons. Mine is living proof. just make sure it is eating other foods before you buy it and make sure you have a lot of live rock. Even though mine eats frozen food I still have some pod pile becasue I feel they should be able to eat what they eat in nature as well. So I say purchase one if you find one that is eating other things. Just my .02cents
Darren
 

fishfood

Member
DINHOUSE, you say to make sure they are eating other food. That is good if you can see them before you buy them. They can and are a difficult fish to keep if people don't know how to take care of them. Now I don't believe any of us can see if the mandarines they are selling here are eating anything other than pods. That goes back to the main question about why swf.com sells them in beginner packages.
I had one in my 55 and before i put him in i had a lot of pods, they were everywhere (the tank was up at least 6 months). Well within 3 or 4 months he was so skinny and i didn't see anymore pods. I didn't get a pod tank set up before i left for christmas and when i came back he was dead. Now my parents have had one in there 110 tank for 3 or 4 yrs now. They do nothing to the tank, the sump runs out of water all the time, they only feed the fish every once in a while. Basically they shouldn't have that tank but somehow with no maintance on that tank the mandarine is still alive. Now I know that may be an exception but they do have well over 100 lbs of lr which should be supporting the mandarines habits.
Wamp, i do agree that if you know the special requirements for one they can be easy to keep but I thought i could do it in my 55 that had about 65 lbs of lr and he was like the damn terminator. I guess what i'm saying is that a lot of people don't know the requirements for them and it shows from all the post that pop up here on this board. Plus you did say the packages are for cycled tanks but a tank can cycle in any time from probably 2 weeks to 2 months but that doens't mean there will be enough pods to keep a mandarine. Most people who will buy a beginners package will probably wait until the tank cycles but i'm sure they won't wait much longer after that.
So to come to a conclusion i don't believe it is a good idea for them to include them in there packages.
Thats just My Opinion guys :(
 

deucey

Member
yeah that was the whole reason i put this post up is b/c i thought it was alittle misleading....and i didn't want ppl to get the goby and not realize it will prob die soon....i think its a shame..... <img src="graemlins//eek.gif" border="0" alt="[eek]" />
 

wamp

Active Member
Fishfood,
You are correct about alot of people adding it to fast.
I think that most madarins do not ship well or are handled poorly when caught. When you go to the LFS and see a mandarin for sell, where do you see it? A reef tank? nope.. A tank with live rock? nope..
Most of the time you see them in a tank with nothing for them to eat. Starved for weeks so they are easy to catch. I think that is the main problem with these fish.
If the fish has been malnourished or not properly handled this can lead to premature death. Perhaps there is something within them that cannot recover like other fish. I firmly belive that is the problem with these fish. I do not think it is a matter of them having enough food in your tank. If you have live rock and live sand. There are far more creatures in there than he could ever eat. I think it is more a matter of what happened to them before they arrived in your tank.
I base this on my years with mandarins. I have had quite a few. The last one I had died last year. Is this because there were not enough pods in my established 180 with 180lbs of live rock? Don't think so. More like the way I handled him or transported him.
My main basis of this whole argument is the ability of one to live for 2 years in a 20 gallon with only 30lbs of live rock. My experience tells me that.
It is my belife, if you get a healthy one, which is hard to find, It will be ok in a smaller tank with a good amount of live rock.
P.S. I do see your point on the begginer question though.....
Just my Opinion....
 

fishfood

Member
wamp, I never thought of them like that, not being a fish that recovers from poor shipping and so on. But we seem to all agree that its not the best idea to market them to newbies.
They should also put a suggested tank size next to each of these packages
 
I cant find the beganner's package can someone kind enough to locate it for me?? it is in the reef packages with a pic of cleaner shrimp?? thank you
 
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