Take a look at my Koran

[scsinet]

I got this juv. Koran on 6/22/06.
He's been in a QT since I got him. I moved him into the DT last night. He went through acclimation just fine and was happily tooling around the tank this morning.
Tonight when I came home from work, I saw him looking like this. He's reluctant to come out of hiding, but he will come out to eat, and occasionally just on his own. His gill movements are fine, and he is showing no problems with swimming around, etc... in other words, he doesn't ACT sick. He continuously nips at the algae on the rocks in the back of the tank behind the rocks.
Does this look like physical trauma or some kind of infection? If it's not obvious, I'm talking about the eye.
A full resolution photo is posted on my site at:
http://www.davestanks.com/images/img_2435.jpg

 

[beth]

Different species, but perhaps the same problem:
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127010/diseased-fish-pictures#post_1027985
Can you get a side shot?

 

[scsinet]

Of course. fyi...The white spot in the middle of his body is a reflection.
Full image: http://www.davestanks.com/images/img_2438.jpg
It's funny you sent me where you did. I had this problem with him while he was in the QT... not the eye, but the poor environment thing. He was fading in the center and his scales started to look a bit "frayed." It wasn't even across his body so I knew it wasn't dropsy. I did a 100% water change on the QT and that fixed him right up.
In this particular situation though, his coloring seems fine to me.
I haven't tested the FO system's params lately, but none of the other fish seem to be afffected.
Anyhow, no change this morning.

 

[beth]

So, is there a problem with the eye? Is he just not very active? Is it possible that another fish is giving him a hard time?

 

[scsinet]

Yes there is. What I'm saying is that I had a problem with the "reaction to poor environment" and that it's ironic that you sent me to exactly the same place where I originally found it. That happened in the QT and has been cleared up.
Now he's in the DT and has this problem with his left eye, but he is not showing any other symptoms of the "reaction to poor environment." I don't have a side shot of him of the side with the bad eye, so the side I provided shot doesn't show it, but the first picture does. It almost looks like the clear scales that covers the eye is torn. Check out the full res pic, it really shows it.
It's absolutely possible that another fish did this to him.
He is sharing a tank with:
Juv. Volitan Lion
Sailfin Tang
Hippo Tang
Juv. Snowflake Eel
Lunare Wrasse
These fish don't bother each other, and of course the angel is too new to know, but I have not observed any other fish harassing him so far.

 

[beth]

I see it now. Though, it's not real clear. Does it look like something attached? Or is it just a white hazed eye? Any swelling?
Did you net the fish for the transfer to/from QT/display?

 

[emperor11]

Originally Posted by Beth
Did you net the fish for the transfer to/from QT/display?
Just what I was thinking. Sounds like pop-eye to me. If he did use a net (most likely) to transfer the fish...its quite possible that the net irritated its eye.

 

[scsinet]

Beth/Emperor!!! I'm hurt! What do you guys take me for!!?!?!?

Of course I didn't net him. I don't net fish... ever. I use a tupperware container or a plastic bag to transfer fish.
In this case, I used a two quart gladware bowl (one of the rectangularish deals) to remove him from the QT and transfer him to an acclimation bucket, then again to move him into the DT. It is possible in the midst of trying to catch him (round buckets made for a dizzying experience) I might have bumped him with the edge of the container. The edge is rounded though (but I know it still may do something). I was able to successfully shoo him in but I know at one point I had him stuck between the container and the bucket wall, it's possible that I jabbed the eye.
Trouble is, I did all this at about 8:30PM on Tuesday night. I watched him swim around the tank for a while and went to bed. The next morning the lights were off so I didn't notice it (it may have existed at this point). I definitely first got a good look at it at about 5:30 PM Wednesday.
The eye looks as though it's torn, although the eye seems intact and functional, almost as if the clear covering over the eye was damaged. The eye itself is fully in it's socket and he is able to turn his eye back and forth to follow my movements.
It looks as though a clear cloudy covering over the eye is frayed and torn slightly.
I posted every picture I have of him. Maybe one of them will be clearer.
Full Resolution:
http://www.davestanks.com/images/KoranSick/img_2434.jpg
http://www.davestanks.com/images/KoranSick/img_2435.jpg
http://www.davestanks.com/images/KoranSick/img_2436.jpg
http://www.davestanks.com/images/KoranSick/img_2437.jpg
http://www.davestanks.com/images/KoranSick/img_2438.jpg
Beth to answer your question... it looks like something PEELING... but I wouldn't say attached. It sort of reminds me of the loose flappy skin you end up with after a good sunburn. If it's still unclear, open the first link to the full resolution picture (2434). It'll take a minute to load, but it's a massive picture so you should be able to see the eye in very good detail.

 

[beth]

It must be an injury during the chase between tanks. If this fish is still eating, I would wait and see and keep a very close watch. Use a magnifying glass. Start doing garlic feedings as detailed in the FAQ Thread. If your QT is well-established, and this fish starts to deteriorate, or does not improve within the next couple of days, then transfer him back to the QT for antibiotic treatment with Maracyn Two for SW fish.
If he he is not eating well, try target feeding the food garlic mixture. Offer food at least 3x a day, with graze-food between.

 

[scsinet]

Beth, this fish has an insatiable appetite. I could throw a cheeseburger in the tank and he'd eat it.
I am currently feeding with Selcon doped mysis once per day. Today I am going to introduce some Ocean Nutrition Angel Formula which I had been feeding about once every five days or so in QT (in between his other feedings...

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In between my daily feedings, he is constanltly picking on the algae on the back wall of the tank, rocks, etc. There is plenty for him to eat.
I just got home and he is looking better. His eye doesn't look quite so awful, and I noticed something else that I didn't catch in the pictures because I never got a side shot of his bad side. He has a small sore spot just above and behind his eye... towards the top of the body near the dorsal fin. I'd wager that you are exactly correct, that I banged him accidentally when transferring him.
Agree?

 

[beth]

A good appetite is a good sign. I would still use the fresh garlic on meaty foods due to its natural antibiotic quality and immune enhancer.
There are a lot of sharp rocks in a fish tank. A fish darting around could get hit on the head.

 

[scsinet]

The last 24 hours have shown great improvment.
Last night, I stuck a brick of Angel Forumula into a feeding clip and tossed it in. Although my other fish went wild over it and devoured most of it, the Angel got a few of the flying chunks. Once that had happened, he spent most of the evening out and about the tank, nipping here and there.
About an hour later, I threw in a whole bunch of Mysis and Krill and stirred it 'round the tank to scatter it. Lots of mysis settled on the bottom and hovered along the bottom, eating the pieces that looked good.
Most importantly though... I walk by the tank several dozen times in a day. Over the last few days I'd be lucky to see him out once in all those times. Last night, though, I saw him out the vast majority of the time, so he's clearly coming out of hiding.
This morning, I checked out his eye with a flashlight. He didn't like that too much but his eye is clearly healing. It doesn't look so much torn anymore. Just a bit cloudy, but not serious by any stretch. It's definitely clearing up.