Taking water out of the ocean
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miaheatlvr
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Just for the record my LFS in MIAMI gets all his salt water which he stores in like a 1000g container, DIRECTLY from the OCEAN, He has been in business going strong for 20years and has very nice displays. Been using his water for like 2 years now with no problems whatsoever. I have never asked him of his water gathering methods though. Maybe a little part of me would rather not know becasue some of these posts here can make you psycotic.(sp) lol
kwiknezy1
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ok, i finally have a response to this.. Now im not cracking heads here neither, so please dont take it that way..
We all know how expensive this hobby is. We factor this in way before we even purchase a tank. It is a very expensive hobby, there are maybe a limited amount of corners you can cut and get away with it ( legally ). My opinion, if you can not afford to do the hobby, then for gods sake, please just do Freshwater. There are so many ways that you can make the habitat in your home salt system safe, and desireable for marine fish, corals, and inverts. There are a million products out there ( i think i have nearly that already). If you make your own water it averages out to maybe $1.99 a gallon. We pay more than that for gas, or a 20oz. container of bottled water. When you cut corners, you are learning nothing about the hobby. Remember if you cut a corner while taking your driving test, you will fail. IMO
We all know how expensive this hobby is. We factor this in way before we even purchase a tank. It is a very expensive hobby, there are maybe a limited amount of corners you can cut and get away with it ( legally ). My opinion, if you can not afford to do the hobby, then for gods sake, please just do Freshwater. There are so many ways that you can make the habitat in your home salt system safe, and desireable for marine fish, corals, and inverts. There are a million products out there ( i think i have nearly that already). If you make your own water it averages out to maybe $1.99 a gallon. We pay more than that for gas, or a 20oz. container of bottled water. When you cut corners, you are learning nothing about the hobby. Remember if you cut a corner while taking your driving test, you will fail. IMO
rudedog40
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I live in Key Largo, Florida. It is ILLEGAL to take water from pennekemp state park, the marine sanctuary is no take of any kind( Up to 50,000 fine and they take your boat.). If you want water from around here go past the parks and dive a bucket down to like 60 feet and fill up.
It's illegal to take WATER from Pennekemp? Come on. What do you think all those fishing boats use to fill up their live wells when chartering their boats? I can understand no taking of livestock or coral, but water?
It's illegal to take WATER from Pennekemp? Come on. What do you think all those fishing boats use to fill up their live wells when chartering their boats? I can understand no taking of livestock or coral, but water?
ophiura
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While I agree in principal to this, I would also point out that there is nothing wrong with using resources you have at hand. I have a total "ghetto" tank. Used equipment, hand me downs, frags, "used" live rock, etc. There are several ways to run a successful tank and still save money and it is not fair, IMO to necessarily judge people by a question like this.
There is no corner cutting in using natural sea water. I think it is superior - FAR SUPERIOR - to synthetic sea water, and if a clean source is available I would do it sure thing...whether it is free or twice the price.
So it is a matter of opinion. If you don't do water changes because of the expense...I'm with you. If you want to keep anemones but only have basic lighting - I'm with you. If you want to circumvent the law to collect live rock - I'm with you.
But investigating alternative resources within the law? Not a bad plan IMO.
There is no corner cutting in using natural sea water. I think it is superior - FAR SUPERIOR - to synthetic sea water, and if a clean source is available I would do it sure thing...whether it is free or twice the price.
So it is a matter of opinion. If you don't do water changes because of the expense...I'm with you. If you want to keep anemones but only have basic lighting - I'm with you. If you want to circumvent the law to collect live rock - I'm with you.
But investigating alternative resources within the law? Not a bad plan IMO.
nietzsche
Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
So it is a matter of opinion. If you don't do water changes because of the expense...I'm with you. If you want to keep anemones but only have basic lighting - I'm with you. If you want to circumvent the law to collect live rock - I'm with you.
did you just say its okay to keep anemones in basic lighting-- basic meaning what? minimal?
did you also say you also say its okay get live rock as long as you outwit the law?
or am i reading this wrong
So it is a matter of opinion. If you don't do water changes because of the expense...I'm with you. If you want to keep anemones but only have basic lighting - I'm with you. If you want to circumvent the law to collect live rock - I'm with you.
did you just say its okay to keep anemones in basic lighting-- basic meaning what? minimal?
did you also say you also say its okay get live rock as long as you outwit the law?
or am i reading this wrong
kwiknezy1
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Originally Posted by nietzsche
did you just say its okay to keep anemones in basic lighting-- basic meaning what? minimal?
did you also say you also say its okay get live rock as long as you outwit the law?
or am i reading this wrong
I think he was being slightly sarcastic.. The way that i read it, everybody had their own opinions, this hobby is all about trial and error. Also people will go to the ocean and get stuff, they always have and always will. Also people have their own opinions to what light you need for an anemones, I use to have 3 or so under a pc light, but recommended is atleast t5 or halides. We all know what is wrong and what is right.. While i agree with using ocean water, it is some states is illegal. Plus i live in Tennessee, so it is almost impossible for me to get ocean water, probably like the majority of us who are in this forum. The ocean is not all that accessible. So we have to basically make up our own water, using what is supplied. Now dont get me wrong, if the LPS sold pure ocean water collected from the bahamas, im all for it. Hell i would buy it, but the cost would probably be soo high that none of us could afford it. Also my tank is all frags, becasue i cant afford all show quality peices, all of my rock came from a dealer. So mine and ophiura tank prolly looks the same. Now all of my equipment is brand new, all i have is frags, and a bunch of those damn damnsels, plus i just placed my powder blue in the tank today after being in the QT for 3 1/2 weeks now.
did you just say its okay to keep anemones in basic lighting-- basic meaning what? minimal?
did you also say you also say its okay get live rock as long as you outwit the law?
or am i reading this wrong
I think he was being slightly sarcastic.. The way that i read it, everybody had their own opinions, this hobby is all about trial and error. Also people will go to the ocean and get stuff, they always have and always will. Also people have their own opinions to what light you need for an anemones, I use to have 3 or so under a pc light, but recommended is atleast t5 or halides. We all know what is wrong and what is right.. While i agree with using ocean water, it is some states is illegal. Plus i live in Tennessee, so it is almost impossible for me to get ocean water, probably like the majority of us who are in this forum. The ocean is not all that accessible. So we have to basically make up our own water, using what is supplied. Now dont get me wrong, if the LPS sold pure ocean water collected from the bahamas, im all for it. Hell i would buy it, but the cost would probably be soo high that none of us could afford it. Also my tank is all frags, becasue i cant afford all show quality peices, all of my rock came from a dealer. So mine and ophiura tank prolly looks the same. Now all of my equipment is brand new, all i have is frags, and a bunch of those damn damnsels, plus i just placed my powder blue in the tank today after being in the QT for 3 1/2 weeks now.
ophiura
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Originally Posted by nietzsche
did you just say its okay to keep anemones in basic lighting-- basic meaning what? minimal?
did you also say you also say its okay get live rock as long as you outwit the law?
or am i reading this wrong
You are reading it wrong...because other people posted and I didn't quote who I was responding to.
I would say there are no "cutting corners" if you want to keep an anemone, or need live rock and want to take it from the reefs, etc. "I am with you" means I was in full agreement that negligence in not providing minimum needs (water changes, lighting), or breaking the law are not ways to cut corners. There is no good excuse, and if you can't afford it...find a way to make it work and care for your animals or get out.
But there are very good ways to cut corners and still be in this hobby - DIY live rock for example, or buying from another hobbyist. Just like you can get retrofit DIY lighting.
In general, there is nothing wrong in cutting corners in this hobby, such as getting water from the ocean (actually I do not consider this to be cutting corners).
If it is legal, I don't have problems with things like this. I don't think it is necessarily fair to judge someone for not spending money on synthetic sea water when they have the option of natural seawater (which may happen to be free). That to me is as clear an option as DIY stuff and in no way a problem.
did you just say its okay to keep anemones in basic lighting-- basic meaning what? minimal?
did you also say you also say its okay get live rock as long as you outwit the law?
or am i reading this wrong
You are reading it wrong...because other people posted and I didn't quote who I was responding to.
I would say there are no "cutting corners" if you want to keep an anemone, or need live rock and want to take it from the reefs, etc. "I am with you" means I was in full agreement that negligence in not providing minimum needs (water changes, lighting), or breaking the law are not ways to cut corners. There is no good excuse, and if you can't afford it...find a way to make it work and care for your animals or get out.
But there are very good ways to cut corners and still be in this hobby - DIY live rock for example, or buying from another hobbyist. Just like you can get retrofit DIY lighting.
In general, there is nothing wrong in cutting corners in this hobby, such as getting water from the ocean (actually I do not consider this to be cutting corners).
If it is legal, I don't have problems with things like this. I don't think it is necessarily fair to judge someone for not spending money on synthetic sea water when they have the option of natural seawater (which may happen to be free). That to me is as clear an option as DIY stuff and in no way a problem.
srfisher17
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I lived in the Keys (Islamorada) over 30 years ago. I knew, and helped a couple guys who collected fish from the reef for the trade. Even,back then, they brought water up from at least 30 feet down to transport fish.
kwiknezy1
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Originally Posted by NigerBang
Ophi's a girl...You silly goose..
Oops, sorry for not getting the Gender correct.. Sorry Ophi.. my bad.. Hope we are still friends.. Also, i did not mean to misread you. I apologize. really i do, im am very sorry...
Also it is like i said too, i would only get pure ocean water if it was available at the LPS, or thru this site,..... I really dont like jail,
been there done that. Also $50,000.00 fine should be enough to deter anybody from getting anything from the ocean.. I also know that there is no reaplcement for natural sea water, although some companies have perfected the way to get salt directly from the ocean.. Now that is a great way to get as close as possible without breaking any laws.. I think Tropic Marin is one of the comapnies that gets true, bonified, 100 % salt from the ocean. I do not believe that it is the synthetic stuff that most of us have had to use becasue we live so far from the ocean..
Ophi's a girl...You silly goose..
Also it is like i said too, i would only get pure ocean water if it was available at the LPS, or thru this site,..... I really dont like jail,
nigerbang
Active Member
Originally Posted by KwikNezy1
Oops, sorry for not getting the Gender correct.. Sorry Ophi.. my bad.. Hope we are still friends.. Also, i did not mean to misread you. I apologize. really i do, im am very sorry...
Also it is like i said too, i would only get pure ocean water if it was available at the LPS, or thru this site,..... I really dont like jail,
been there done that. Also $50,000.00 fine should be enough to deter anybody from getting anything from the ocean.. I also know that there is no reaplcement for natural sea water, although some companies have perfected the way to get salt directly from the ocean.. Now that is a great way to get as close as possible without breaking any laws.. I think Tropic Marin is one of the comapnies that gets true, bonified, 100 % salt from the ocean. I do not believe that it is the synthetic stuff that most of us have had to use becasue we live so far from the ocean..
Seems like I had seen a type of salt..Other than tropic..
They would pull unknown ammounts of water and heat it or something else and pretty much package salt creep and sell it...supposed to be good stuff...I wish I could remember who it was..
Also it is like i said too, i would only get pure ocean water if it was available at the LPS, or thru this site,..... I really dont like jail,
Seems like I had seen a type of salt..Other than tropic..
They would pull unknown ammounts of water and heat it or something else and pretty much package salt creep and sell it...supposed to be good stuff...I wish I could remember who it was..
kwiknezy1
Member
Originally Posted by NigerBang
Seems like I had seen a type of salt..Other than tropic..
They would pull unknown ammounts of water and heat it or something else and pretty much package salt creep and sell it...supposed to be good stuff...I wish I could remember who it was..
I cant remember the company either, i read it somewhere when i was doing a google search a while back, i really wish that i would have added it to my favorites now..
I was also just reading that Oceanic makes 100% pure sea salt.. all natural ingredients.. i might have to order me a bucket of this stuff.. 39.99 for a 200 gallon bucket.. not too bad...
Seems like I had seen a type of salt..Other than tropic..
They would pull unknown ammounts of water and heat it or something else and pretty much package salt creep and sell it...supposed to be good stuff...I wish I could remember who it was..
I cant remember the company either, i read it somewhere when i was doing a google search a while back, i really wish that i would have added it to my favorites now..
I was also just reading that Oceanic makes 100% pure sea salt.. all natural ingredients.. i might have to order me a bucket of this stuff.. 39.99 for a 200 gallon bucket.. not too bad...
ifirefight
Active Member
Originally Posted by KwikNezy1
I think Tropic Marin is one of the comapnies that gets true, bonified, 100 % salt from the ocean.
And they are in Ft Lauderdale Florida. It is not illegal to take water out of the ocean in Florida...EXCEPT John Pennekamp State Park located in Key Largo, Florida Keys. It is a marine sanctuary so removing anything is illegal. I was down at the inlet this morning ( I live in South Florida) and 4 different "aquarium maintenance" companies were there slurpping up 1000s of gallons into there holding tanks. Those guys are doing it every day...and dont tell me they "filter" it or UV it...because they dont. BTW there is a Sherriff station at that location and Florida Marine patrol,and park rangers. I have talked to them many times ...while I am actually getting water for my own tanks. No problems.
And they are in Ft Lauderdale Florida. It is not illegal to take water out of the ocean in Florida...EXCEPT John Pennekamp State Park located in Key Largo, Florida Keys. It is a marine sanctuary so removing anything is illegal. I was down at the inlet this morning ( I live in South Florida) and 4 different "aquarium maintenance" companies were there slurpping up 1000s of gallons into there holding tanks. Those guys are doing it every day...and dont tell me they "filter" it or UV it...because they dont. BTW there is a Sherriff station at that location and Florida Marine patrol,and park rangers. I have talked to them many times ...while I am actually getting water for my own tanks. No problems.
ophiura
Active Member
Originally Posted by NigerBang
pretty much package salt creep and sell it....
Well now there is a good home business idea
...if people can frag corals, why can't I frag my salt creep? Some people think of all the good ideas!!
BTW, I have been called worse than "he" in my life, and far worse even on this board than that
pretty much package salt creep and sell it....
Well now there is a good home business idea
BTW, I have been called worse than "he" in my life, and far worse even on this board than that
kwiknezy1
Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
Well now there is a good home business idea
...if people can frag corals, why can't I frag my salt creep? Some people think of all the good ideas!!
BTW, I have been called worse than "he" in my life, and far worse even on this board than that
I normally agree 1000% of everything that you have said, heck you have even helped me out in the past.. For that i am grateful
. I guess we all have our opinions on things ( and as we see for my opinion of thinking you was a dude
) One thing i dont have for some reason is salt creep.. I have the residue on the lights but that is it.. Now with a tank i had previously, i had more creep than water in the tank.. I dont get it.. Now i have a crap load of evap. Where is it all at? I keep my tank at 1.026.. weird huh...
Well now there is a good home business idea
BTW, I have been called worse than "he" in my life, and far worse even on this board than that
I normally agree 1000% of everything that you have said, heck you have even helped me out in the past.. For that i am grateful