Tangs and Dwarf Angels
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hewetton
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In 50 gallon? No....but if your tank is big enough..let's say 100+....then yes.
ocellaris_keeper
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flame angel = OK
Yellow tank = OK without Blue tang
Blue Tang = OK without yelloe tang
But remember tangs (yellow and blue) require A LOT of space so although having them survive in a 50 gallon is often done, it's best to have a largert tank for tangs to swim in.
It's like putting a Jack Russel Terrier in a cage - it'll make them nuts!
Yellow tank = OK without Blue tang
Blue Tang = OK without yelloe tang
But remember tangs (yellow and blue) require A LOT of space so although having them survive in a 50 gallon is often done, it's best to have a largert tank for tangs to swim in.
It's like putting a Jack Russel Terrier in a cage - it'll make them nuts!
reefer44
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by blue do you mean hippo....if so it would be fine........actually a pretty good group of fish....but personally i wouldn't go with the yellow.....
in a 55 you can get a Blonde Naso which would go with a purple tang or something not its body shape........
you could also get a salfin and hippo.....
just make sure their main shape is different and that you intoduce them at the same time or the smaller of the 2 first.....the angel will be fine too
Brad
in a 55 you can get a Blonde Naso which would go with a purple tang or something not its body shape........
you could also get a salfin and hippo.....
just make sure their main shape is different and that you intoduce them at the same time or the smaller of the 2 first.....the angel will be fine too
Brad
ophiura
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I personally disagree with putting a Naso in a 50g tank. They get huge and are very active swimmers. Fine in larger tanks but awefully cramped in smaller. Ditto for the blue and yellow. Fine in a larger tank, extremely cramped in a smaller one.
What is the 'footprint" of the tank? I think, as mentioned earlier, you are better off with one tang and the angel...not two. Also remember that your tang will outgrow the tank so think about what you want to do when that time comes a couple of years down the road.
What is the 'footprint" of the tank? I think, as mentioned earlier, you are better off with one tang and the angel...not two. Also remember that your tang will outgrow the tank so think about what you want to do when that time comes a couple of years down the road.
reefer44
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i have seen countless ppl with more than one tang that are close to 7" apiece in smaller tanks than a 55................i even know some customers that have 5 tangs in a 60.....and a person with a sailfin in a 29g.........they all have lived for upwards of a year.....and are fat and healthy.........altho it is healthier to put them in big tanks and i personally wouldn't put any tangs in a 55g but it has been done and will countinue to be; no matter what i say.......so why not tell the person the facts and of your experiences... not your opinnion.......
Brad
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ophiura
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Originally posted by reefer44
so why not tell the person the facts and of your experiences... not your opinnion.......
Brad
:nope: Fine then, in my experience, putting a naso or multiple tangs in a tank of that size is a disaster for the fish. It is just plain common sense that, all other parameters being equal (diet, water quality) their long term survival rate is correlated to tank size. Sharing opinions is what most of these boards are about, BTW.
reefer44
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Originally posted by jwtrojan44
Given that these fish can live upwards of 30 years, what measure of sucess is it keeping one in a small tank for a year. IMO, because countless people do it, doesn't make it good husbandry. If you talk to a lot of hobbyists, you'll find that the majority of those with a good deal of experience, and who's opinions are respected, won't consider these fish for small tanks.
trust me i have talked to hundreds of hobbyist (including Greg Shiemer, Bruce Carlson, and many other respected reef authorties that visit the store i look at.....most of the elegance corals for Bornemans experiment came for the place a work) and many of them keep them successfully......again its not what i would do but it is easily possible..........no offense but i see close to 1000 new fish a month and sell them to ppl and know what they need and how the ppl keep them..................not to make this personal but what is your experience with fish....probally not with thousands a year...........not to be rude but i am sick of ppl saying everything can't be done.......there are thousands of ways to bend the "rules" of reef tanks...........
that is fact, but if you want to hear my oppinion as ophiura says these boards are about....then don't mix them or get a tang for that size tank.....i wouldn't get a tang for a tank smaller than 180g....but then again i hate fish agression in my own reef, and i run a sps reef with a smaller bioload.....
Brad
ophiura
Active Member
I've worked with a lot of fish too. The largest LFS in Houston and for a public aquarium. Worked at each for about a year an a half. Also taught Ichythology of Caribbean fish. So some of us, you see, can have these "opinions" on keeping some of these fish and be speaking from both fact and experience like yourself.
FWIW, I am not a member of the "no way no how tang in a 55g" tang police. IMO, there are situations where this would be more desirable (the issue of these tiny blue and yellow tangs coming into the hobby). I would prefer those in smaller tanks with few if any fish and potentially modified flow, to get them established and growing. After some time, indeed maybe years, I would like to see them moved to larger quarters. But I won't advocate multiple larger tangs in that size tank or those that are not even marginally suitable considering the average size and behavior that come into an LFS (Naso's). There is a middle ground.
I don't think that name dropping and questioning the experience of those who may disagree (or may not, hard to tell) really advances your argument.
FWIW, I am not a member of the "no way no how tang in a 55g" tang police. IMO, there are situations where this would be more desirable (the issue of these tiny blue and yellow tangs coming into the hobby). I would prefer those in smaller tanks with few if any fish and potentially modified flow, to get them established and growing. After some time, indeed maybe years, I would like to see them moved to larger quarters. But I won't advocate multiple larger tangs in that size tank or those that are not even marginally suitable considering the average size and behavior that come into an LFS (Naso's). There is a middle ground.
I don't think that name dropping and questioning the experience of those who may disagree (or may not, hard to tell) really advances your argument.
reefer44
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its not name dropping.......i just wanted to know what your experience is and let you know what mine was.............the reason i don't advocate my oppinion is because i am not a preacher i just want the person to know that it is possible...........i doubt he cares what my morals are.......
Brad
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