tangs in 55 gallons? which type if any

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by nathanrudy9
55 gal reef tank with eventually lots of corals and 1 anemonie i have a goby 2 clowns and a royal gramma...i dunno for some reason i just fancy tangs...i love them..so i guess ill need a bigger tank...its going to be a pain to switch everything but ill get the guys to do it..,..i just need tangs i love them.
That's why I'm upgrading to a 180. The single biggest reason is that I want tangs.
Nathan, I don't know how long you've had a 55g, but if you just started, wait a month or two... the urge to upgrade will be uncontrollable by then!
 

nathanrudy9

Member
yup there goes another 2k...but its worth it i love tangs and so does the little one.
thanks ill look into the 180. im going to the lfs now...
 

nathanrudy9

Member
its bean running well for 3 weeks it recently crashed and theres a lot of history in that tank from aggressive fish for 2 years to others bottom line i started new 3 weeks ago it was the first day of running and ready for fish...so almost a month now...
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by SCSInet
It always puzzles me when people deliberately ask the question, already predisposed to not accept one of the two possible answers.
Without calling any one or number of individuals out here, the frustrating posts I see here are the ones that are saying "If all you have is a xx gallon tank, then that's what you have to work with, so go ahead and get the fish you want." Sorry... wrong, unethical, and asenine. The size tank you have, among many other factors, dictates what fish you get. No matter what you do in saltwater fishkeeping, there are always compromises, decisions, and tradeoffs. If you have a reef, you can't keep certain fish. If you have a lionfish, you can't keep fish that will fit in his mouth, etc etc.
These decisions should be based on the welfare of the fish FIRST, PERIOD. The decisions should never be based on your selfish desire to keep a fish, regardless of your chancess of success, or your ability to provide a proper environment.
To address this question specifically, I have a 55g reef system myself. It's an older, well established system, with several fish that are several years old or more. But my attempts to keep tangs back in the day failed with this tank. No matter what I did, the wouldn't survive long. In my experience, you shouldn't try to keep a tang in a tank this small. All they do is swim... all day long, back and forth. If you do try, you may succeed, but if you fail, the fish paid the price of your attempt with his life... a life lost because you went against advice of others that often made the same mistake in the past. It's unfortunate that those who participate in a hobby that requires a certain level of respect for the ecosystem in which we take from to sustain it can have such a deliberate disregard for it.
Regardless.... Not to anyone specific... but if you aren't going to like a particular answer for a question you are about to ask, or you know you aren't going to give the answers you don't like their due consideration, then don't ask it. Getting beligerant with people who disagrees with you will wear out your welcome here very quickly. You may feel people are blunt or inconsiderate with their answers, but a lot of the folks called out here as being such are merely tired of answering the same question over and over, knowing they are going to be hammered for it, yet unable to just ignore it because they are trying to save the lives of the fishes.

If you really cared about the welfare of the fish, ANY FISH, you wouldn't be housing them in ANY tank in your house, no matter how big it was. If you want to be a true humanitarian, take all your fish to a Sea World or large aquarium and donate them to their organization. At least they have environments that are close to the ocean. I see from another post the Tang Police berated Nathan into submission, and he pulled his BH out of his 55. Good for you. Nothing like telling someone how to spend their money in this hobby. And SCSI -- go ahead and be specific who you are referring to. Trust me, I have no problems calling anyone here to the carpet.
 

ophiura

Active Member
These threads get no where because people have different values and goals in the hobby, and you might as well be speaking two different languages.
Regardless, either carry out these discussions politely, or the thread will be locked. If you logic is strong and constructive, you should not need to be rude, call people names, or resort to extreme arguments, etc.
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
Well, personally I dont like to listen to advice from people that continue to have livestock issue's or problem after problem. I like to see what their tank looks like, give it my personal thumbs up or thumbs down and go from there. I especially dont ever help again those that want to argue about an answer I give them when they are the ones that asked the question and obviously are just looking for someone to agree with whatever they feel the answer to them should be. If those of you that simply want to know what length is recommened then, follow the advice of those that have successful husbandry habits and few issues. If you choose to not listen, thats fine too. But majority of those that have valid answers also have the least amount of issues and seem to have the most success.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Well, personally I dont like to listen to advice from people that continue to have livestock issue's or problem after problem. I like to see what their tank looks like, give it my personal thumbs up or thumbs down and go from there. I especially dont ever help again those that want to argue about an answer I give them when they are the ones that asked the question and obviously are just looking for someone to agree with whatever they feel the answer to them should be. If those of you that simply want to know what length is recommened then, follow the advice of those that have successful husbandry habits and few issues. If you choose to not listen, thats fine too. But majority of those that have valid answers also have the least amount of issues and seem to have the most success.
I agree.
You 55 gallon tank keepers. MUST see where alot of these people are comming from. They value their Fish, and want to see them comfortable, happy and healthy. These aren't expendable object like cellphone, but a living breathing feeling animal. And we need to be responsible and take care of these animals not step on them like ants when they no longer suit our whims and desires.
They come from experience, I've seen several tanks crash with overstocking, fish growing to big for their tank reeking havoc to their bioload, with the same fish we are talking about now. I'm sure these other guys have too.
Third most of these people work under the mostly correct presumption that if you lack the self disicpline to wait and such person puts a fish that in a year will be 7 inches in a 55 gallon tank. He isn't going to drop the 2 grand on a sutable tank in 6 months, when the fish outgrows the current tank, (if they make it that long).
So if you don't agree with someone because he says take care of your fish, then fine but don't lead others to follow on your doomed path.
 

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
If you really cared about the welfare of the fish, ANY FISH, you wouldn't be housing them in ANY tank in your house, no matter how big it was. If you want to be a true humanitarian, take all your fish to a Sea World or large aquarium and donate them to their organization.

Perhaps.
One could argue that by participating in this hobby, we are increasing awareness, increasing knowledge, and furthering our understanding of the oceans around us.
One could also argue that such an argument is a crock; a rationalization to justify our involvement in the hobby.
In cases where compatibility and husbandry are carefully considered, and proper environments provided, fish can and do live out their natural lifespan. It's situations where people try (against the wisdom of those experienced) to keep things that have little or no chance of long-term survival that I draw the line.
That said, it's people that go against conventional wisdom that make discoveries and find new ways to do things.
And SCSI -- go ahead and be specific who you are referring to. Trust me, I have no problems calling anyone here to the carpet.
I'm not sure if you are upset with something I said in making this comment or not. Regardless, trust me, I know you're not afraid to say what's on your mind. I just find that engaging people in one on one arguments due to a statement that applies in a much bigger picture is unncessary. I was moved to post earlier based on the tone of the thread and things that were being said by many. It's not my intention to try to convince anyone I'm right, or single people out for doing not what I believe is right. Everyone can read it, read about my experience, and if it applies to them, they can listen up or ignore me.
The people that post questions then get upset by the answers are just as guilty as the tang police.
If you're asking me, rudedog, if I was directing it towards you, the answer is no.
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
Rudedog, I have looked back at your history on past posts including ones that you have started and find that you are very confrontational in here. It seems that if ever there is a thread that has controversy, you seem to be always in the front lines and becoming very combative when it comes to husbandry habits. Why is that?
With all the knowledge you have that is against the norm, maybe you should write a book or show us some of your successful 55 gallon tank. and by the way comments like this
Sorry you made the decision Nathan. Yet another person influenced by members on this board. I imagine they'll also talk you into buying a 500 gallon tank so you can have anything you want. It's the humanitarian thing to do...
are completely unneccessary and maybe you should re-adjust your attitude.
 

nathanrudy9

Member
im totally lost...i gave the bh tang to the lfs... i got the fish recommended for the 55 gal reef tank...anyways moving on to another topic i just realized some of these fish i got jump... and i have no cover on the top of the tank due to the lighting should i not fill the water 100 percent to the top...or can i put a glass cover with actinics at 260w and mh's running 4-5 hours perday 2x250hqi....if someone has advice id appreciate it..
thanks
Nathan
 

nathanrudy9

Member
anyways i checked out the tanks around 300 gal it woukd prob cost around 3k for just the live rock and live sand....not to mention the wetdry skimmer mh lighting pumps powerheads and whatver else u need for a larger tank...i would love to get one that big but my wife immediately said no...and shes the boss lol...its gonna take alot of convincing...lol
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
I agree.
You 55 gallon tank keepers. MUST see where alot of these people are comming from. They value their Fish, and want to see them comfortable, happy and healthy. These aren't expendable object like cellphone, but a living breathing feeling animal. And we need to be responsible and take care of these animals not step on them like ants when they no longer suit our whims and desires.
They come from experience, I've seen several tanks crash with overstocking, fish growing to big for their tank reeking havoc to their bioload, with the same fish we are talking about now. I'm sure these other guys have too.
Third most of these people work under the mostly correct presumption that if you lack the self disicpline to wait and such person puts a fish that in a year will be 7 inches in a 55 gallon tank. He isn't going to drop the 2 grand on a sutable tank in 6 months, when the fish outgrows the current tank, (if they make it that long).
So if you don't agree with someone because he says take care of your fish, then fine but don't lead others to follow on your doomed path.

You have your opinion, and you're welcome to it. However, I imagine the 'seasoned members' here have made the same mistakes as these people who are making the arguments to keep whatever they like in their tanks. I doubt there's one person who has ever come to this board who hasn't lost one or more fish, invert, or coral, for one reason or another. It happens when you stick an animal that's used to living in what they see as an unlimited world, into a small space less than 1,000,000th the size that they came from.
"Follow on your doomed path"? If that's not an arrogant statement, I don't know what is. Just because we "55 gallon tank keepers" have better things to do with our money than blow thousands keeping fish happy, I do make sure whatever I decide to keep in my tank is happy and healthy in the environment I've made for it. And that includes my BH whose been in my tank for over 3 months now, and never looked happier.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by nathanrudy9
im totally lost...i gave the bh tang to the lfs... i got the fish recommended for the 55 gal reef tank...anyways moving on to another topic i just realized some of these fish i got jump... and i have no cover on the top of the tank due to the lighting should i not fill the water 100 percent to the top...or can i put a glass cover with actinics at 260w and mh's running 4-5 hours perday 2x250hqi....if someone has advice id appreciate it..
thanks
Nathan

Not sure of the make of your tank, but most tanks come with glass covers (if you bought it as a kit). There's no problem putting glass over the top, but you may have heating issues with those lights. Go to Lowes of Home Depot and get some 'egg crate' acrylic cover. It's the white sheet that normally goes over the big flourescent lights that looks like small squares. Do a search here for 'egg crate', and you'll see what I mean. It's also the stuff people use to set their coral frags on to show actual dimensions of the frag.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
You have your opinion, and you're welcome to it. However, I imagine the 'seasoned members' here have made the same mistakes as these people who are making the arguments to keep whatever they like in their tanks. I doubt there's one person who has ever come to this board who hasn't lost one or more fish, invert, or coral, for one reason or another.
So instead of learning from other peoples errors, use it as a justification to repeat the errors????
 
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