tank ok?

frozenguy

Member
hi, i'm very new to the hobby.......
i was just wondering if an 80 gallon tank from petsmart would be ok.......
its 199 for the tank plus 249 for the stand..........it has no sump......
is that bad?
now i'm an 18 year old college student working as a server.........
i am living at home though =-)
so i dont have utilities and rent and stuff like that.....is this a good tank? or should i go with something at my local fish store..........(which is more expensive).......like, should i have a sump or whatver?
also, what heaters should i get?
1?
2?
what wattage for each....
also, could someone name off some brands of filters and different types that i would be interested in.......money isn't the biggest problem, its just that i dont ahve like 1000 bucks to spend on a tank......alone......i have to buy lr and other stuff too....
 

hairtrigger

Active Member
First, any shape tank is ok. If you want a hex, buy it. Get whatever suits you. It is the surface area that matters. Bacteria grows on the surfaces of the substrate, decor, anything with vaying surface area. For example, tall tanks are good for reefs because they don't need large surface area for anerobic bacteria. Now, an aggresive fish only set up needs more surface area to break down all the extra waste.
Second, live sand and live rock is only necessary if you are going to do a reef tank. I would not recommend this for a beginner. Go fish only first to learn how to sustain them well. You could get reef fish, that way you can add corals, live rock, live sand, and invertebrates later on. But dead substrate is fine as long as you patiently wait for it to cycle. However, you can use live rock to cycle a tank if you don't want to risk losing fish. My point is, don't go spending all your money on live sand and live rock until it is time to do a reef. It is very expensive, and pointless for fish only... except that you can use live rock as a natural bio filter and beautiful decor.
Third, wrong again... large tanks ARE expensive. My Oceanic 200 setup was several thousand dollars. There are several thousand dollars put into it on top of that... live rock, sand, corals, fish. On top of that, there is about 2500 in equipment. So, large tanks are significantly more expensive than smaller ones. Use common sense on that one.
Now, the 80 gallon at Petstuff, Petsmart, whatever, isn't too expensive because the bottom glass is tempered. You cannot drill a tempered bottom, which is why it doesn't come with a sump. See, there is no overflow box in the corner for the water to flow into a sump. You can add a hang-on-the-back overflow box and sump, but it is rather pricy. Your best bet would be to buy a pre-drilled tank with an overflow box installed in the corner. Check ----. There are some great deals. And there is nothing wrong with a used tank as a beginner. But, for saltwater you really want a sump to accomadate filtration, skimmers, sterilizers, and other equipment.
But, yes, unfotunately the above post is correct on one thing.... the equipment costs add up quickly. Especially lighting. Once again, ----.
Let me keep going... my large tank is not messy. As a matter of fact, it is proven that large tanks are easier to clean and maintain than smaller ones. Also, there is a better chance of polluting the water in a macro-tank. Larger tanks have more water to dilute when you are messing around inside.
See, also, if something dies in a small tank... that's where you are screwed. In a large tank, like I said, something small dies, and you probably don't have to worry about it too much because there are sooooo many more gallons of water to contaminate. Now, in a reef, you have to watch the nitrates and ammonia if something dies. But, generally, you are ok unless it is a large fish. I have had a 9 inch lunare wrasse die in my tank, never to be seen again. The water remained perfect.
Now, if you can afford the larger tank.... go for it man. You will want to keep going larger anyway. It is addicting. I started with a 15. Now, you could always invest your money in a bigger, or better tank... and build the stand and canopy yourself. That's what I did in college.... and so did several of my friends that I turned on to aquariums. It is easy, and much cheaper. You have to keep in mind, pet stores really jack up the price on those things. Not so much the tank, but the stand and canopy. But, Home Depot or Lowe's has the materials cheap. Plus, it's fun to customize, trim, and build the tank.
As far as pumps, go mag drive. If rio's burn out, they have a tendency to release oil into the water, which will kill everything.
As far as heaters... marineland makes a good, easy heater. There are two temperature settings, both of which are good for marine tanks. It just makes it easy, so you don't have to adjust the temp. constantly. And the wattage depends if you are putting a small heater in the tank, and a larger one in the sump. It is all subjective. But, temperature is important.
There is NADA wrong with the petstuff, petsmart tank. If you don't want to go with the overflow box.... for convenience and lack of complexity, go with 2 emperor 400 filters on the back of the tank. Those things are the best hang on the back filters around. Later on you can learn about natural systems with a skimmer, even canister filters if you want to go that route.
Print this out and ask around man, you'll see the info is straight. Good luck with the tank. You're gonna enjoy it.
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oceanjumper

Member
I tend to fully agree with Hairtrigger. Though, as a starter, you should go as big as you can afford. My advise: plan, plan, plan. Asking questions on this forum is a great start.
I had two 72 bowfront ($450 each). I moved and HAD to sell one for ..... $200 (the thing was 1.5 yrs old).... see, you can get good deals if you go used...
I do recommend a sump. Sumps provide additional water (see Hairtrigger's post why more H20 is better), plus they take out all the ugly equipment from the display tank.
I would only differ in OPINION (this does not mean you should follow my advise) with Hairtrigger, that I would recommend a sump and buy a great sump protein skimmer (not the hangon filters). I have built my sump myself. 15 gl glass tank ($30, buy as big as it will fit in the canopi under your tank, and you can still easily access the sump & equipment), bought plexiglass and silicone glue at homedepot ($20 - have them cut it, so plan how the design should look like (see if you want a refugium as well...)), bought an overflow box plus flexible hose at the LFS ($75, you can avoid the overflow box if you built the overflow in your display tank (which I would do if I were you. For me it was too late. My tank was already setup w/o the internal overflow)). Oh, the protein skimmer goes from $150-$250 but is worth EVERY penny.
Since you haven't started yet, I would recommend using sand. Take a large layer (3-4') of non-live (aragonite) sand and feed it with 1-2' life sand. If you ever decide to go "reef" you will be happy you have sand. By the way, the same applies for the rocks. You can buy a few "normal" rocks. Over time they willl become "live" as well.
But, how hard it is once you started, BE PATIENT! Let the system mature over time (> 6 months) before adding anything delicate. Another advise: PLAN and do NOT buy on impulses! (as I have mistakingly done in the past). Know what you want and go by it!
Good luck & have lot's of fun with your tank.
 

hairtrigger

Active Member
Oceanjumper couldn't have said it better. If you can... go with the overflow and a sump. The Emperor 400 hang on filters are only the way to go if for some reason you can't get a sump to put the filtration in. Sumps are really the way to go. They cost a little more... but then again... the two filters would cost about 175 or maybe a little less I think.
Sump it and you won't be disappointed. Keep asking stuff on here... it's a great resource as long as you get the right info. Basically, the consensus seems to rule... so the more people agreeing on something, they've probably had success doing it.
Oceanjumper's substrate idea is great too. Plus, the aragonite keeps the ph up where you want it in a marine tank. You can't go wrong with that if you ever do a reef.
And yeah, a skimmer is a MUST with a marine tank. They are so beneficial, worth every penny. Once again, ----. They are head to head necessity wise with a UV sterilzer. Sterilzers pump the water around an ultra violent light, which disrupts the DNA of parasites. Which in turn reduces ich and infections.
Good luck. :)
 

frozenguy

Member
wow.....thanks guys!!!!! that was a lot of help!!!!!
i'm gonna go look on ----.....
but one more question.......
well, two....
isn't shipping going to be outragous?
and how can i tell i'm getting a quality product??
thanks again!!!!!
 
One more thing that is important is your stand. I made the mistake of buying a cheap pressed partical board stand. While working in your tank the stand sometime tends to get wet. Well my stand rotted and I had to move my tank to a new stand. No fun...just make sure the stand is made of somekind of solid wood...like oak.
 

robn70

Member
Another place you can look for a tank is check the yellow pages for companys that install and service aquariums they may have some used tanks from some of their clients. You may be able to get a whole setup to get started with. As for sand buy a couple a bags of southdown tropical play sand from homedepot and seed it with a bag or two of live sand. it will save alot of $$$.
 
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sebae0

Guest
i dont know where you live but if you have the tradings times or even in the classifieds you can sometimes find a good deal on tanks.
 
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