junkiebeas
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Thats an Award winning picture. Don't you think?
Tank Progresion
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junkiebeas
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Hey Aaron! Those tow are from the family of Gorgonidae, Plexaurella sp.
It is a Caribeean sea whip that does well in the invertebrate aquarium.
Fedding
Polyps are often large enough to capture brine nauplii, rotifers, sieved
daphnia and cyclopods. Dead foods and liquids are usually regected.
Feed sparringly once or twice a week when polyps aren full extended.
Some species are self-sustaining in the aquarium and under intense lig
htning will survive purely on their symboitic algae.
Health
Bacterial infections mean that the coenenchyme covering
becomes discolored, often balckening, and finally disintegrating,
leaving the horny skeleton. The causes of this Stripping include
physical damage, poor water conditions, insufficien water circulation
and even a build-up of filamentous algae among the branches. Under
optimum conditions regeneration is possible.
It is a Caribeean sea whip that does well in the invertebrate aquarium.
Fedding
Polyps are often large enough to capture brine nauplii, rotifers, sieved
daphnia and cyclopods. Dead foods and liquids are usually regected.
Feed sparringly once or twice a week when polyps aren full extended.
Some species are self-sustaining in the aquarium and under intense lig
htning will survive purely on their symboitic algae.
Health
Bacterial infections mean that the coenenchyme covering
becomes discolored, often balckening, and finally disintegrating,
leaving the horny skeleton. The causes of this Stripping include
physical damage, poor water conditions, insufficien water circulation
and even a build-up of filamentous algae among the branches. Under
optimum conditions regeneration is possible.
junkiebeas
Member
Thanl You Very Much!
mudplayerx
Active Member
Those tangs may be alive, but I guarantee you that none of them are happy. Nice tank though.
getit
Member
Hey Junk....., sorry could not remember all of your name. However the tank looks incredible and I congradulate you on a job well done!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 75g and was wondering if a all tank could be done successfully. and now I see it can. I always read the different threads where people will trash your efforts for doing so like in this thread and it had dsicourage me from doing so; but know I may just try it and see for myself. Thanks again for the great pics.
And to all of you haters
And to all of you haters
junkiebeas
Member
THEY ARE HAPPY! WHY PEOPLE IS GREEN
WHY PEOPLE IS GREEN
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by junkiebeas
I think that my 15 years of experience will help me deal with all that.
No.. You could be 10,000 years old and still not be able to overcome an animals instinct.
Fish are that size and have been in your tank for 3 years? That strikes me as "odd" to say the least. How big were they when you got them, hatchlings?
Tangs need swimming room. Let me restate that: Tangs need swimming room.
You tell people to do their research.. I've done a small bit myself. Can you tell me what expert says that keeping multiple species of Tangs in a small tank is recommended?
It's not "hating" that makes people question you; it's observation. Tangs swim. They swim a lot. Tangs are territorial. (Ie. Surgeonfish) Tangs get stressed easily... etc.
Good luck with your tank.
I think that my 15 years of experience will help me deal with all that.
No.. You could be 10,000 years old and still not be able to overcome an animals instinct.
Fish are that size and have been in your tank for 3 years? That strikes me as "odd" to say the least. How big were they when you got them, hatchlings?
Tangs need swimming room. Let me restate that: Tangs need swimming room.
You tell people to do their research.. I've done a small bit myself. Can you tell me what expert says that keeping multiple species of Tangs in a small tank is recommended?
It's not "hating" that makes people question you; it's observation. Tangs swim. They swim a lot. Tangs are territorial. (Ie. Surgeonfish) Tangs get stressed easily... etc.
Good luck with your tank.
junkiebeas
Member
Hey! I didn't knew I had a New Mushroom. In the last picture right besides his mother.
shawnts106
Member
Ok first, a 140 gallon that this ladie has is special made so its 2.5 or 3 feet wide and 8 foot long... I dont know how the tang looked or was in this that She no longer has it because it as well as all the other large fish in her tank got too big and she put them in a HUGE system for someone she maintains there tanks for them... these fish are now very happy and have A TON of swimming room!
I am not saying that putting a large fish in a small area is good... this wasnt even part of the original post, I said that I have seen several tangs in the same tang with little to NO problems... the ladie I speak of with all the tangs had NO problems, and frankly she had the healthiest fish I have EVER seen in my entire life!.. she bought all those fish when they were babies only a few inchs in size! They grew and she put them in a bigger tank... I see NOTHING wrong with this at all.
Second as Shoreliner11 said:
The reason why I bring up these points is do we (aquarists) want our fish to survive the conditions we present them with or to thrive? Most compare our tanks to the ocean because most are trying to mimic the ocean as closely as possible.
I agree with keeping our tanks in as optimal health as possible after all we are trying to mimic the ocean.... but we do NOT need to take this to an extreme, if this is so we should not even have tang in tanks PERIOD because after all arent tangs found in the ocean were they swim around MILES daily... we would need a tank the size of SHAMOO'S habitat to sustain 1 tang if this is true!... *of course im exagerating to prove a point*
NOW, Shoreliner11 also stated this:
This is where these organisms evolved and ultimately conditions closest to these conditions will allow the best health in our fish.
Lets try and keep religion out of our forum topics ok... this causes nothing but problems and strife tward one another...
Thanks all I have to say.
FOR NOW!
haha
I am not saying that putting a large fish in a small area is good... this wasnt even part of the original post, I said that I have seen several tangs in the same tang with little to NO problems... the ladie I speak of with all the tangs had NO problems, and frankly she had the healthiest fish I have EVER seen in my entire life!.. she bought all those fish when they were babies only a few inchs in size! They grew and she put them in a bigger tank... I see NOTHING wrong with this at all.
Second as Shoreliner11 said:
The reason why I bring up these points is do we (aquarists) want our fish to survive the conditions we present them with or to thrive? Most compare our tanks to the ocean because most are trying to mimic the ocean as closely as possible.
I agree with keeping our tanks in as optimal health as possible after all we are trying to mimic the ocean.... but we do NOT need to take this to an extreme, if this is so we should not even have tang in tanks PERIOD because after all arent tangs found in the ocean were they swim around MILES daily... we would need a tank the size of SHAMOO'S habitat to sustain 1 tang if this is true!... *of course im exagerating to prove a point*
NOW, Shoreliner11 also stated this:
This is where these organisms evolved and ultimately conditions closest to these conditions will allow the best health in our fish.
Lets try and keep religion out of our forum topics ok... this causes nothing but problems and strife tward one another...
Thanks all I have to say.
FOR NOW!
haha
shawnts106
Member
I agree... but SINCEEEE that topic has been brought up LOL!
shoreliner11
Active Member
Originally Posted by shawnts106
NOW, Shoreliner11 also stated this:
This is where these organisms evolved and ultimately conditions closest to these conditions will allow the best health in our fish.
Lets try and keep religion out of our forum topics ok... this causes nothing but problems and strife tward one another...
I wasn't trying to spark a religious debate. I know that ultimately the debate is pointless. I think the point is portrayed nonetheless.
Aaron
NOW, Shoreliner11 also stated this:
This is where these organisms evolved and ultimately conditions closest to these conditions will allow the best health in our fish.
Lets try and keep religion out of our forum topics ok... this causes nothing but problems and strife tward one another...
I wasn't trying to spark a religious debate. I know that ultimately the debate is pointless. I think the point is portrayed nonetheless.
Aaron
shoreliner11
Active Member
Are you referring to me? If thats the way I came across I apologize but that was not my intentions.
Aaron
Aaron
shawnts106
Member
Same here, just stateing Opinions, not flameing each other.
But anyway Your tank looks great btw: sorry I didnt say till' now LOl!
But anyway Your tank looks great btw: sorry I didnt say till' now LOl!
ophiura
Active Member
Originally Posted by getit
I have a 75g and was wondering if a all tank could be done successfully. and now I see it can. I always read the different threads where people will trash your efforts for doing so like in this thread and it had dsicourage me from doing so; but know I may just try it and see for myself. Thanks again for the great pics.
And to all of you haters
There are lots of opinions and they are all valid. Apparently discussion and disagreement now means "hating." A few people have used the term now. :notsure: But ignoring all evidence to the contrary is free will and you're free to pursue it.
Anyway, I think these discussions can be carried out if people share opinions and refrain from words like "haters" and the implication that the opinions of "haters" are rash and without merit. Discuss
YES, I totally discourage anyone trying this sort of thing. You know, there are LOTS of people who have tried and failed, but those dead fish and people just don't get the same attention.
:thinking: Just the few cases where it appears to "work" get the attention.
I've seen a couple of dozen tangs in 3500g tanks that will slash each other. That dominance is normal tang behavior when given space and room to establish a heirarchy. There is some argument to the idea that if you just CRAM too many fish in too small a tank it will force them to alter their behavior and from outward appearances "get along." But it isn't what I consider this hobby to be about If it is for you then to heck with what anyone says and break out the check book. But why bother reading the boards, books, etc? What does it matter what anyone says?
The "I guess we should just leave tangs in the ocean..." comment inevitably comes up in these discussions. Some tangs, yes, should be left in the ocean. But can't we not agree that we shouldn't shoehorn animals into a space we desire, but be able to say "ya know, I want to give this fish a minimum amount of space?" I'll give the ability to keep a tang in a relatively small tank...Heck, I'll even give a few different species of tangs in something like a 6' tank. I might even come over to a couple in a 55 depending on the circumstances. Never said "multiple tangs" wasn't possible with enough space.
If you want to keep multiple tangs, go ahead, its not the argument. Just provide some gosh darn space for them which is the point. :yes:
I have a 75g and was wondering if a all tank could be done successfully. and now I see it can. I always read the different threads where people will trash your efforts for doing so like in this thread and it had dsicourage me from doing so; but know I may just try it and see for myself. Thanks again for the great pics.
And to all of you haters
There are lots of opinions and they are all valid. Apparently discussion and disagreement now means "hating." A few people have used the term now. :notsure: But ignoring all evidence to the contrary is free will and you're free to pursue it.
Anyway, I think these discussions can be carried out if people share opinions and refrain from words like "haters" and the implication that the opinions of "haters" are rash and without merit. Discuss
YES, I totally discourage anyone trying this sort of thing. You know, there are LOTS of people who have tried and failed, but those dead fish and people just don't get the same attention.
I've seen a couple of dozen tangs in 3500g tanks that will slash each other. That dominance is normal tang behavior when given space and room to establish a heirarchy. There is some argument to the idea that if you just CRAM too many fish in too small a tank it will force them to alter their behavior and from outward appearances "get along." But it isn't what I consider this hobby to be about
If it is for you then to heck with what anyone says and break out the check book. But why bother reading the boards, books, etc? What does it matter what anyone says?The "I guess we should just leave tangs in the ocean..." comment inevitably comes up in these discussions. Some tangs, yes, should be left in the ocean. But can't we not agree that we shouldn't shoehorn animals into a space we desire, but be able to say "ya know, I want to give this fish a minimum amount of space?" I'll give the ability to keep a tang in a relatively small tank...Heck, I'll even give a few different species of tangs in something like a 6' tank. I might even come over to a couple in a 55 depending on the circumstances. Never said "multiple tangs" wasn't possible with enough space.
If you want to keep multiple tangs, go ahead, its not the argument. Just provide some gosh darn space for them which is the point. :yes:
