Tanks on Today Show

murph145

Active Member
i know what u mean lion!
yeah tell me about it bonebrake it makes those of us on modest incomes that spend hours researching and tinkerin with out system feel unrewarded they should have gone to a real person with a real reef tank not some one who just dumped 125K's in a overpriced "las vegas" style fish tank
 

miamireefr

Member
Originally Posted by Drewsta
All I can say is they overpayed


Agreed man... I could maybe see 125k spent if that was REAL coral consuming that tank....but what I saw was painted rock and maybe livestock costing up to 5k at most and maybe 30k in equipment?....
But I guess if you can waste 125k then it really doesn't matter..
 

zanoshanox

Active Member
The circular tank was pretty sweet though! Nice video, but they should've shown a little more of the Georgia aquarium! <3
 
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xoxox

Guest
Paying $125,000 for someone to come over and set up fake coral tank...

Setting up real one yourself and putting a great deal of effort into it = Priceless !
 
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xoxox

Guest
Originally Posted by MiamiReefr
Agreed man... I could maybe see 125k spent if that was REAL coral consuming that tank....but what I saw was painted rock and maybe livestock costing up to 5k at most and maybe 30k in equipment?....
But I guess if you can waste 125k then it really doesn't matter..


If you think about it, the equiptment shouldn't of even cost that!
Fake corals you don't need the lights and cal reactor
 

miamireefr

Member
Well just as an FYI..Those tanks are more than likely maintained by BIG ALS USA here in FL. If you go to BIG ALS here in the USA there whole setup and sales pitch is based off the same fake coral in that segment...I will admit there store has some AWESOME displays in the sense of size and fish and the blacktips are f-in bad ---. That painted rock/coral crap they sell is BIG $$$$$$$. My bro in law bought the ovrflow cover with fake coral....cost him $369.00, and imo looks like arse..Aint nothing like the real thing!
 

stanlalee

Active Member
Originally Posted by Oceanists
Oh COME ON 100 dollars for maintmemce all this is ia another trophy for them to show off , notice no live corals ?? Skinny hippo tang , what a bunch of crap

and guess what this hobby has a high turn over rate not because of the rich people who buy $100K tanks and pay somebody to maintain them but average joes who want "a trophy" to show off in their 3 bedroom house and get board after six months. I'm as jelous as the next middle class tank owner but I realize thats just what it is, my jelousy.
 

ags

Member
Spending $125k on that setup is a rip off. My tank is 14x smaller and including all the livestock, live sand, coral, fish and unused or pointless equipment that I eventually threw away my tank cost about $4k. Granted I did absolutely everything myself but even then $125k seems ridiculously high.
A friend of mine has his 125 gallon serviced. It costs him $425 a month for water changes. The fee is calculated on a per gallon basis. The service providers don't guarantee their work and any loss is absorbed entirely by the tank owner. And for all that money, my friend has lost all his livestock and corals 4 or 5 times only to pay the service guy to start it all over. That's what happens when you are too lazy to do things for yourself.
 
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barkdog

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Why is it that everyone assumes rich people don’t appreciate their fish as much as the rest of people in the hobby? Maybe some of those people do maintain the tanks themselves. Maybe they don't have time to... they probably work a lot to make all that money. Does that mean that they don’t deserve a tank? Does that mean they enjoy the fish any less beautiful/interesting/fulfilling/etc than you?
If I found someone that I thought was qualified to maintain my tanks, I would do it in a second. I hate cleaning the tanks and doing water changes. I’d much rather spend the time enjoying the occupants of my tanks than cleaning fish poo and changing water.
As far as the cheesy coral and crap, I agree, but to each their own. I’m positive that people on this board would have plenty of commentary on my tank, but I didn’t get it to impress the members of SWF.com, I got it because I liked it.
 

theappe

Member
I spend hours trying to get my tank the way I want it. I think thats the whole point of it. If I didnt do the work myself, I wouldnt be in this hobby!
 

scsinet

Active Member
At the risk of sounding like a real jerk, the resounding tone of this thread seems to be one of jealousy. Everyone here is pounding these people for spending too much on this or having fake that. It just almost sounds like we are jealous of the fact that these people can afford to spend the money on these tanks and are bashing them to make our more economical setups seem better. Don't bash me saying that "that's not what I think," I'm only telling everyone the way this comes across to me. No hard feelings intended.
I watched the segment on MSN this morning and my reaction was that they obviously spent too much, but I soon remember that there are two types of people that keep fish.
1. The people who view an aquarium as a decoration in their home. These are the people who care more about how the tank fits into the room decor, that are willing to pay someone to do all the work, etc. I would not stretch to call these people "hobbiests," as much as I'd call them "run of the mill aquarium consumers."
2. The people who enjoy their aquariums for the challenge, the hobby, etc. They are more concerned about getting the right equipment, treating disease properly, research, learning, etc.
The fact is that every hobby has people in both camps. One of the examples above was about cars. When you deal with restoring cars for example, there are the ones who buy junkers and spend their time and energy lovingly restoring them, and the ones to pay someone to do it and deliver the car to them when it's done. True, it hurts to see them get all the same attention that you do when they haven't done any of the work, but what it all comes down to is personal satisfaction.
I feel sorry for the fact that those people don't get to enjoy the hobby in the same way as we do, and feel sorry for the fact that they are probably paying too much, but most people don't accumulate 125K to spend on a fish tank by being stupid. They went in with their eyes open, just like we did. I assure you, they don't need or want my or your pity.
When I first got into saltwater, it really bothered me when I ran into the #1 people at my LFS. What I eventually realized is that their presence in the hobby notwithstanding, the vast majority of people who see your tanks are going to be people who don't have a clue either way, and would be equally impressed in either case. In a lot of ways, these #1s are giving you a boost because your guests see a setup in your living room that cost you $2000 but think you spent 125K.
The bottom line is that the people who do this are, for all intents and purposes, not in the same hobby as we are. They just happen to have a decoration in their house that looks like ours. We have no reason to fear or be jealous of these people because their interests are not the same.
To each is own everyone. To each his own.
 

pat713

Member
Hey, if I made that kind of money, I'd do the same thing. But, my fish would look healthy and everything would be REAL!
But, if I made that kind of money, I'd have my office be one big fish tank and all the equipment would be below my feet. I would pray it would never, ever, ever, ever, leak...
 

emmitt2

Member
I dont think its jealousy. Most people on this board are really into the hobby and i'd guess VERY few have fake corals. We spend all of our time trying to keep alive, grow and frag our corals. To me, and i'll bet alot of others, that fake coral looks horrible. If i had that kind of money , i would never get fake corals. For me, alot of the tanks on here are better than those. I'm not even talking about monsters like Weast, but tanks like promisebtg, murph145 and a few others on here are nicer than those in my opinion.
Man , for 125k, i'd have 2 reef tanks like Weast's 850g, 1 warm and 1 cold on opposite sides of a nice gameroom. Now THAT would be worth seeing.
 
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xoxox

Guest
Originally Posted by maxalmon
All the tanks were filled with those fake, plastic looking corals that ATM here in vegas loves to make which look like crap.

You just described the word for these type of tanks = VEGAS TANKS...
 

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by emmitt2
I dont think its jealousy. Most people on this board are really into the hobby and i'd guess VERY few have fake corals. We spend all of our time trying to keep alive, grow and frag our corals. To me, and i'll bet alot of others, that fake coral looks horrible. If i had that kind of money , i would never get fake corals.
What I'm saying is that when people bash other peoples tanks simply because they are different or are done differently than they would personally do it, it's doesn't exactly make them look good. One thing anyone in saltwater should understand by their second week is that diversity is the spice of life when it comes to this stuff. Everyone does something different. Furthermore, I will reiterate that I don't believe that the people who are doing this are in the hobby in the same sense that we all are. To use my car example again... this sort of thing is akin to a car collector scoffing at my Toyota Camry.
"PFFTT!! He calls himself a car collector! He owns a CAMRY! It's SOOOO 2002!!! Look at that PLASTIC bumper! That's like... a FAKE BUMPER!!!"
... well, it's not that I'm a lousy excuse for a car collector, it's that I'm NOT a car collector. The very fact that I own a car doesn't make me a car collector, it just makes me a car owner, and collectors have no call to scoff at my car because they aren't comparing apples to apples.
The people who own these tanks just want a decoration. That's fine! I just don't feel it's appropriate to bash them based on what we perceive fishkeeping to be because we and they do not keep fish for the same reasons. It seems as though we were all to willing to bash them out when it's really no comparison.

Edit: It occurs to me that maybe "jealousy" doesn't quite say it. The first reaction I had when I saw the clip was sort of anger... an insecurity if you will that I have to work so hard to get new fish toys, to keep up my tanks, etc and they can just come along and drop a zillion bucks and get a tank going. I have to remind myself that it's the work that's fun for me. Rest assured, everyone, I'm not holding myself in any kind of high regard here, my reactions are the same, I'm just presenting a viewpoint.
 

anonome

Active Member
I have to absolutely agree with you. I have to think :thinking: , I would love to make sooooo much money that their tanks are the way to go. But, here I go thinking again, I love the research of what fish is compatible with what... will it eat my coral?, my shrimp? that I don't see me winning the lottery to change that much.
You are right in that they honestly think that they have a decoration, (gorgeous tank in their room to admire) much like all of us. We just take it a step farther.
 
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humatime

Guest
Hey haters!
I just wanted to point out that the tang was about an inch long. Looked perfectly proportioned to me for a juvinile. Do any tang police want to weigh in that the tank was too small?
Maybe they go with artificial corals because they dont want to support taking coral out of the reef. Doing so would only support local fish stores selling coral to anyone regardless of if they are equipped to care for the organizm.
I dont think their appreciation is any LESS than anyone elses here. They just appreciate DIFFERENT aspects of the hobby.
Stop drinking the hatorade.
 

bojik

Member
Originally Posted by Oceanists
they probably have autofeed so they dont have to do anything but watch ....... half the fun of this hobby i think is making it work and doing everything yourself
For the most part AMEN
 

bojik

Member
Originally Posted by XoXoX
You just described the word for these type of tanks = VEGAS TANKS...
isn't vegas about big flashy and fake?
But yea they have a decoration not realy a hobby like SCSInet said. and i agree with him.
But hten htye may not want to risk the care for coral. Or dislike the wild collecting of croals. I have typicaly bought aquacultured corals (not intentionaly jsut fragged out specimens of a low cost from th LFS).
 

my way

Active Member
Originally Posted by Oceanists
they probably have autofeed so they dont have to do anything but watch ....... half the fun of this hobby i think is making it work and doing everything yourself
Half the fun and 9/10ths of the aggrevation!
 
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