thanks to ich.....

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2697972
You'll hear from a lot of people that you should do a QT and keep it set up and all, but I know there are like 5 minute chemical dips and baths you can use to kill all the ich before you put them into your tank.
Nick....Reference for the medication you are suggesting that will eliminate any possibility of fish getting Ich with a s 5 minute bath? Thanks Al
Certainly OK to pm me, but there are several people, including myself, that would like the source of this info. Thanks .......There is no problem posting this information as long as it is not a link to a competitor of swf.com.
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2698926
Nick....Reference for the medication you are suggesting that will eliminate any possibility of fish getting Ich with a s 5 minute bath? Thanks Al
Sorry staylor, I'm feeding you misinformation. It was 1am when I wrote that post and I've got myself all mixed up. If you have coral, there are baths that you can give to remove bad hitchhikers, but you don't have coral so it doesn't apply. I also know that you can give formalin baths to fish with brooklynella, which is commonly carried over by clowns.
I don't think there's a bath for ich, but I do know that a freshwater dip will burst the ich, but it's also very risky to the fish, and is generally used as a last resort.... right Al?
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2698933
Sorry staylor, I'm feeding you misinformation. It was 1am when I wrote that post and I've got myself all mixed up. If you have coral, there are baths that you can give to remove bad hitchhikers, but you don't have coral so it doesn't apply. I also know that you can give formalin baths to fish with brooklynella, which is commonly carried over by clowns.
I don't think there's a bath for ich, but I do know that a freshwater dip will burst the ich, but it's also very risky to the fish, and is generally used as a last resort.... right Al?
Bingo!
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/2698940
Bingo!

Sweet.
Also, staylor, I want to make sure you know that garlic is not a means of curing the ich... as I've said earlier, you MAY see a great recession in ich on your fish, and it may never return, but there is no guarantee that it has been completely "cured" from your tank. The only way to do that is by voiding your tank of fish for a minimum of 6 weeks.
Garlic is the route I took, but I'm picking up a 120 gallon tank with cherry stand/canopy this weekend, and will intend to use my existing 40g as my QT once I get the 120 gallon going.
But can I go on a little thread tangent? What do you guys think about buying used tanks as opposed to buying new? I've been thinking about just buying a new tank because then I know I'm the only one that used it, as opposed to not knowing the age or level of abuse that a used tank endured... i could spend $600 on a tank that's 10 years old and has a crack somewhere in the silicone... and that would suck! Especially if the tank broke and flooded the house. I've seen a number of threads where that's happened. What do you guys think about this? What's your experience?
 

spiderwoman

Active Member
Originally Posted by staylor21
http:///forum/post/2698652
well the tank has up for about a month and a half and i use tap water.....and what are diatoms?
Could be that it wasn't ick that killed your fish, but ammonia and nitrites. Your tank is so new that the bioload may not have had time to catch up. How long did you cycle your tank?
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2698958
Sweet.
Also, staylor, I want to make sure you know that garlic is not a means of curing the ich... as I've said earlier, you MAY see a great recession in ich on your fish, and it may never return, but there is no guarantee that it has been completely "cured" from your tank. The only way to do that is by voiding your tank of fish for a minimum of 6 weeks.
Garlic is the route I took, but I'm picking up a 120 gallon tank with cherry stand/canopy this weekend, and will intend to use my existing 40g as my QT once I get the 120 gallon going.
But can I go on a little thread tangent? What do you guys think about buying used tanks as opposed to buying new? I've been thinking about just buying a new tank because then I know I'm the only one that used it, as opposed to not knowing the age or level of abuse that a used tank endured... i could spend $600 on a tank that's 10 years old and has a crack somewhere in the silicone... and that would suck! Especially if the tank broke and flooded the house. I've seen a number of threads where that's happened. What do you guys think about this? What's your experience?
Personally, I would not buy a used tank unless I knew the person I was buying it from well. I would not only worry about the silicon and cracks, but what if they had a fish only tank and had used copper in it. Even with good cleaning you may be exposing your 'reef' inverts to copper.
Admitably it is a tough call because you can get great deals on used equipment.
I'd buy one from Spider, Tizzo, Beth or Sep anytime...Course I have too many already...If I brought home another one I would be taking care of it in the garage where my wife would surely move me.........
 
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emeralcrab

Guest
I bought a used 150g, it was fine for 2 years. Came home about a month ago to water running out from under it. I went out and bought a 210g that I had my eye on for quite sometime. Bad luck? Good fortune? Just depends on how you look at it.....Now I have a awesome 210g, brand new and not worrying about leaks like I did with the used 150g.
So I would vote for NEW, plus I know nothing like copper was used in it. Just my 2cents worth.
 

staylor21

Member
Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/2698959
Could be that it wasn't ick that killed your fish, but ammonia and nitrites. Your tank is so new that the bioload may not have had time to catch up. How long did you cycle your tank?
well i cycled it for about a month......and i dont think that it was the ammonia or nitrites because i tested them and they were both at 0...
 

staylor21

Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2698913
Tap water could kill everything! It vastly decreases your water quality because of the chlorine and other chemical contents, which are safe to us, but toxic to fish. It's a hobby standard to use reverse osmosis water, which is the purest form of water, free of any harmful chemicals. it's cheap, too... you can get it at any fish store.
is it okay if i use the tap water with a water conditioner cause that is what i use......also i am going to take the fishless route for the 6 weeks.....and if i do not feed the anemones the zooplankton or that other stuff, will they die on me or will they be okay?
 
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tangofish

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.....and if i do not feed the anemones the zooplankton or that other stuff, will they die on me or will they be okay?
Why you dont just buy the food that the anemones eat and feed them?
What will it happen if you dont eat for awhile?
 

staylor21

Member
okay so what do i get and where do i get the food for the anemones because i really have no clue on what and where to get them their food...
 

invertcrazy

Member
You shouldn't put an anemone into a tank less than 6 months old. Your tank should be well established before adding an enemone. With that being said and you have an anemone already, have a few questions:
What kind of lights do you have(need T5 or Mh for anemones and corals)
What kind of anemone is it and how big is it?
How long is it in your tank?
Anemones feed off of your lights but should also be fed once a week or every 10 days. You can feed it formula 1 frozen food or do what a lot of us do and make our own (raw clams shrimp squid crab or any non oily fish and chop it real small and feed it with a turkey baster. What ever is left over put in a baggie and put in the freezer til its time to feed again. I know it sounds like a pain in the butt but if its chopped up small enough your fish will enjoy it once you get the ick problem taken care of.
Hope this helps a little and good luck
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
staylor, everyone has their own styles about how and what to feed an anemone. InvertCrazy is telling you to feed frozen or premade shrimp/etc... but I've also heard suggestions on the opposite end of the spectrum... to give an example, there's this lady that owns a fish store (she has awesome deals too)... she's easily in her 70's and has been keeping fish (both fresh and salt) most of her adult life. In fact, when she got married, her husband bought the two of them a 55 gallon tank... interesting wedding gift.
Anyway, this lady knows what she's talking about. She has never target fed an anemone frozen food or premade shrimp her entire life. BUT she has ALWAYS kept zoplankton content very high in the water.
I don't have all the answers but a lot of people use different methods... some only target feed them once a week, others don't feed at all but keep zooplankton in the tank. Whatever method you choose is up to you
Although i am relatively new to this hobby, I have already successfully kept 3 anemones, but almost killed 1 of them... it was my very first one, and I target fed it every day... it kept going back behind the rocks and I had to move it out so I could feed it, but the truth is that it was trying to get away from me because it didn't want to eat, but I was stuffing it's tentacles with food.... what an idiot.
Anyway, I've learned that if you target feed an anemone, it should really only be once in a while, as InvertCrazy said. I have kept an anemone in my tank for almost 3 months now and have not target fed it a single thing... but I keep the zooplankton up and he's already grown to be about the size of a dinner plate (see pic below).
So my recommendation to you would be:
1. to make sure you have a good amount of flow... because you have a HOB filter, you will need to vacuum more often... HOB filters don't do that good a job of effectively cleaning everything out of the tank, hence the need to get what you call the "brown powder" out. Your filtration is supposed to be getting it out, as is your skimmer, but maybe all you need is stronger flow so the powder can get to the filtration.
2. Get yourself a bottle of zooplankton at any local fish store and put 1 capful per 50 gallons every couple of days. You don't need to refrigerate it or anything. It's just a bottle of funny smelling orange stuff. Look for the one made by brightwell aquatics (see pic below)... you will get good quality stuff from that company. As you see in the pic, get the stuff that ranges from 500-2k um in size. you'd be amazed at how that anemone does. But you absolutely need strong water flow... you could fill the tank to the rim with zooplankton and it won't make a difference if it's not traveling across the anemone's tentacles so it can filter it out of the water.
What kind of anemone is it? bubble tip? long tentacle? carpet?
I've seen anemone's do OK under powercompact lighting, but it has to be REALLY GOOD and STRONG powercompact lighting... not like a little dinky 15 watt bulb that just gives enough light for you to see what's going on. You need something that simulates the sun, and in a 50 gallon tank you should have at least 2 x 36 watt powercompacts with actinics in order for the anemone to survive.
Also, he should move around until he gets comfortable. Does he move around a lot?

 

spiderwoman

Active Member
I'm saying absolutely NO to PC lighting and anemone. Yes it may do fine for a little while, but that does not mean it's going to for the long term. In this hobby everything should be about the long term survival, not a month or two of happiness.
You need good T5 or MH lighting to be able to provide the amount of zooxanthellae that you don't need to target feed him.
Also remember to cover the intakes to your powerheads or your anemone can be sucked in.
 

staylor21

Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2699199
staylor, everyone has their own styles about how and what to feed an anemone. InvertCrazy is telling you to feed frozen or premade shrimp/etc... but I've also heard suggestions on the opposite end of the spectrum... to give an example, there's this lady that owns a fish store (she has awesome deals too)... she's easily in her 70's and has been keeping fish (both fresh and salt) most of her adult life. In fact, when she got married, her husband bought the two of them a 55 gallon tank... interesting wedding gift.
Anyway, this lady knows what she's talking about. She has never target fed an anemone frozen food or premade shrimp her entire life. BUT she has ALWAYS kept zoplankton content very high in the water.
I don't have all the answers but a lot of people use different methods... some only target feed them once a week, others don't feed at all but keep zooplankton in the tank. Whatever method you choose is up to you
Although i am relatively new to this hobby, I have already successfully kept 3 anemones, but almost killed 1 of them... it was my very first one, and I target fed it every day... it kept going back behind the rocks and I had to move it out so I could feed it, but the truth is that it was trying to get away from me because it didn't want to eat, but I was stuffing it's tentacles with food.... what an idiot.
Anyway, I've learned that if you target feed an anemone, it should really only be once in a while, as InvertCrazy said. I have kept an anemone in my tank for almost 3 months now and have not target fed it a single thing... but I keep the zooplankton up and he's already grown to be about the size of a dinner plate (see pic below).
So my recommendation to you would be:
1. to make sure you have a good amount of flow... because you have a HOB filter, you will need to vacuum more often... HOB filters don't do that good a job of effectively cleaning everything out of the tank, hence the need to get what you call the "brown powder" out. Your filtration is supposed to be getting it out, as is your skimmer, but maybe all you need is stronger flow so the powder can get to the filtration.
2. Get yourself a bottle of zooplankton at any local fish store and put 1 capful per 50 gallons every couple of days. You don't need to refrigerate it or anything. It's just a bottle of funny smelling orange stuff. Look for the one made by brightwell aquatics (see pic below)... you will get good quality stuff from that company. As you see in the pic, get the stuff that ranges from 500-2k um in size. you'd be amazed at how that anemone does. But you absolutely need strong water flow... you could fill the tank to the rim with zooplankton and it won't make a difference if it's not traveling across the anemone's tentacles so it can filter it out of the water.
What kind of anemone is it? bubble tip? long tentacle? carpet?
I've seen anemone's do OK under powercompact lighting, but it has to be REALLY GOOD and STRONG powercompact lighting... not like a little dinky 15 watt bulb that just gives enough light for you to see what's going on. You need something that simulates the sun, and in a 50 gallon tank you should have at least 2 x 36 watt powercompacts with actinics in order for the anemone to survive.
Also, he should move around until he gets comfortable. Does he move around a lot?
well i have two of them and one of them just lies on a rock and has stayed there since i got it.....the other one does move a lot but i think that it has found its spot now.....they are both bubble tip anemones.....oh and so if i get the zooplankton you are saying that i should add it every week....and will my skimmer or filter filter out the zooplankton?
 
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