The Cutest Thing!!!

[lion_crazz]

Nowhere did I say garlic "cures" ich. I said, "I would also supplement garlic in their food for the month that you are observing them just to help them fight off whatever ich might or might not be in there."
Note: the original poster does not have ich yet. Garlic will help prevent that and make the fish's immune system stronger. If the fish still gets ich, he knows that he needs to do hypo to get rid of the ich. Kick Ich does not kill ich either. Like garlic, it is a preventitive to help control ich. Garlic is something that goes in the blood stream of the fish to help the fish prevent it, whereas Kick Ich goes in the water to stop the free swimming cysts from attaching to the body of the fish.
Bailey, that was not me who made the video, but it was a fantastic video regardless. Hopefully we will be back up and running by the summer. After working there for 3 years, it kinda does become like a home.

 

[gordruls]

A LFS told me yesterday if you want to get rid of Ich you should raise the water temp to 84 degrease and that will kill Ich. He said you have to be careful not to go to 85 because it could kill the fish and then you have to drop the temp back down slowly.

 

[toughguy80]

Originally Posted by gordruls
A LFS told me yesterday if you want to get rid of Ich you should raise the water temp to 84 degrease and that will kill Ich. He said you have to be careful not to go to 85 because it could kill the fish and then you have to drop the temp back down slowly.
I've heard of this too but with mixed results. The only sure fire way to remove ich is hyposalinity. Basically it's bringing your salt level down to 1.09.
To the original poster: If ich does appear I highly recommend the above treatment over any other type. I read you don't have an extra tank. Simply pick up a 10G for $10 or less, that'll work fine for clown fish. Furthermore, it's nice to have the extra tank in case of emergencies. If you do choose t use hypo IF you have an ich outbreak. Beth(I think) has a great step by step on how to do it in the disease and treatment forum. It's in one of the stickies.

 

[lion_crazz]

Hypo is what I recommended as well in the above post. I told him to use garlic in their feedings for about a month and if they still pick up ich, put the clowns through hypo. I am pretty sure the only things in his tank are the clowns, and I don't think he has any type of inverts, so he can do the hypo right in his main tank if that was the case.

 

[dmm0724]

Thank you guys for your help....I didn't mean to start a fight!!! I know that many people have tried many things with all sorts of results and I know that there will always be differing opinions.
I have them in an extra one before putting in the main tank. Neither are showing signs so i'll keep my fingers crossed.

 

[happyvac]

Out of curiousity, how do you add garlic? Just small flakes, powder...what?

 

[bailey52]

most brands make usually drops of liquid garlic.. just add it to your flake foor or whatev you feed

 

[toughguy80]

Originally Posted by Bailey52
most brands make usually drops of liquid garlic.. just add it to your flake foor or whatev you feed
Yeah normally you get it from the store, I know Kent sells it. And yes, you add it when you feed your fish. Some use it only as a way to get a fish that won't eat, to eat. I normally add a drop or two to their food once or twice a week. There's a debate out whether it helps with a fishs immune system. Most say it does(many who I trust on this site amoung others) and I figure if there's a chance it will, I'll go ahead and use it. Besides, the fish love it!

 

[bailey52]

yea my new clowns havent eaten yet.. pretty shy still i fed the tank and added 5-6 drops.. they went all over the tank looking for food

 

[lion_crazz]

Yeah, I also use the liquid, which is made by Kent Marine.

 

[huntoaks]

Lion Crazz, if you feed with garlic every day for say 3 months or even forever, will the ich be gone from a tank since it will not host the fish who eat garlic. I'm not sure about the not hosting part if they eat garlic but what do you think??

 

[wax32]

Ich can and will survive in a tank as long as there are any fish present at all. The fish might not show symptoms, but it is there.
Think of it like human cold germs... it's always around us, but unless our immune system is weakened we usually fight it off without it killing us. Ich is like a fish version of the human cold. If you keep your fish's immune system healthy, by not stressing the fish and/or by feeding garlic, they will fight off ich.
Try not to buy fish with visible signs of ich, not because it will add ich to your tank, since it is probably already there, but, because the fish is obviously already stressed or it wouldn't have ich. A stressed fish is less likely to make it through the added stress of going from the fish store to your tank where it might get beat up by the fish already in residence, getting stressed even more, making it even more likely to die from the ich.

AMEN

 

[lion_crazz]

If the fish are healthy, all the tank parameters are correct (pH, nitrates, kH, SG), and you use garlic regularly, I would like to think the ich would die from not being able to attain a longterm host. However, that is not always the case. The ich can still exist, maybe in a weakened form in the aquarium, due to the fact that there is still fish in the tank to temporarily host on. Yes, the fish will be able to fight it off pretty easily and not be bothered by the ich if all three above things are present, however, it is always going to be present unless hypo is performed to kill it and stop the reproductive cycle. I like the link above with the ich to the common cold. Germs are always present, however, if the human immune system is strong enough, the human will not be affected by the presence and be able to fight off the germs.
Many times a fish contracts ich because one of the levels is not correct. Either the pH is fluctuating due to a low kH, or the nitrates are too high, and the fish's immune system is weakened. Thus, the garlic helps him fight the problem, however, it can't completely get rid of the ich because the problem that gave him the ich still exists.

 

[sw65galma]

Originally Posted by HuntOaks
Lion Crazz, if you feed with garlic every day for say 3 months or even forever, will the ich be gone from a tank since it will not host the fish who eat garlic. I'm not sure about the not hosting part if they eat garlic but what do you think??
There is only one way to have a true ICH free tank..
Every fish must be QT'ed in Hypo for a month or more before being put in the display.

 

[huntoaks]

Thanks Wax!! I don't have ich in my tank or at least my fish have never shown any signs of it. I was just wondering if ich will or will not host a fish who has garlic in its system. If ich will not host that fish than will it die off due to not having any host?

 

[wax32]

The ich WILL host a fish with garlic in it's system, it's just that the fish probably won't show any symptoms, because the garlic is keeping him from being bothered by the ich. So, no, the ich won't die off. It's there, it's will probably always be there, don't worry about it and try to not stress about it, just like the environment we want for our fish... no stress! If you don't stress your fish they won't get ich, period.

 

[huntoaks]

Thanks Wax!!!

 

[bbb]

Dmm, did you get some of those little tiny ones? We went today to get a shrimp and I saw they had some little ones.

 

[dmm0724]

yeah BBB, cute huh?
but the rest look sorta discolored there now. and now they are in the tank with this very bad looking tang.

 

[bbb]

They also have a dogface puffer that dosn't look so hot. We were talking to one of the employies and she said they weren't going to order any more fish until after they do something to floor (they're having it redone or something). Have you seen the one eyed lion in the display tank, apparently it got in a fight with an eel or something and lost an eye.