The Defecit!

[darth tang]

I was watching Dennis Miller's new stand up last night. It was very good and had me laughing a lot. He started discussing the defecit and how he does care about it really. Do we really owe this money to anyone? If so, screw them. Nobody pays us back. He then says, " I looked at my son and asked if he would get mad if I strapped him with the defecit.". His kid says, "No, because I am going to strap my kids with it." Which had me laughing.
But it made me think. We could solve this defecit real easily. It would require no raising of taxes on the working class. It would also not require us to cut spending.
Ready for this?
Tax the religious institutions................ALL of them. Just a mere 2 percent tax and we would wipe out the defecit in a few years.

 

[dogstar]

The polititians would just spend it on other things instead of useing it to reduce the defecit. Dont you think so ?

 

[darth tang]

Originally Posted by Dogstar
The polititians would just spend it on other things instead of useing it to reduce the defecit. Dont you think so ?

I agree, they probably would.....but it is a thought.

 

[mythrenody]

Originally Posted by Dogstar
The polititians would just spend it on other things instead of useing it to reduce the defecit. Dont you think so ?

 

[jones]

Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Tax the religious institutions................ALL of them. Just a mere 2 percent tax and we would wipe out the defecit in a few years.
I could definately get behind this one.

 

[ohioguy06]

Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Tax the religious institutions................ALL of them. Just a mere 2 percent tax and we would wipe out the defecit in a few years.
I would go with this too!

 

[happyvac]

Stopping the war might help

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Tax the religious institutions................ALL of them. Just a mere 2 percent tax and we would wipe out the defecit in a few years.

I agree, then the liberals wouldn't have any room to complain about the 10 Commandments being in public places or children being able to pray in school, because there would no longer be a separation of church and state. get it? you can't sh!t on religions the way some people love to do because "hey, there's a separation of church and state" and then expect to have the authority to completely ignore this separation by taxing them. you can't have it both ways.

 

[dogstar]

I think alot of politicians want to give more tax money ' to ' the religious institutions.
Any way how and what gets taxed ? Charitable donations, members offerings, land/property, profits from bake sales and carnivals. Preachers/Preist salaries ?
It would be intresting to see how and what exemptions would be wrote in the law and the ways/scams churches would come up with to advoid paying though.

 

[37g joe]

Originally Posted by Pontius
I agree, then the liberals wouldn't have any room to complain about the 10 Commandments being in public places or children being able to pray in school, because there would no longer be a separation of church and state. get it? you can't sh!t on religions the way some people love to do because "hey, there's a separation of church and state" and then expect to have the authority to completely ignore this separation by taxing them. you can't have it both ways.
Alrigh once again someone is quoting the Idea of speration between church and state this is an Idea that came aroun in the 1920's-1930'2 Read the constituion
Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The goverment has no right to intervene in religious issues they cannt say whether a school can or cannot pray. they must remain silent!!
Liberals have done a great Job convincing people that the constituion says one thing that it does not.The act of by law seperating religous symbols, practices and lititure from goverment instutions is unconstuional. The Idea of seperation of church and state is a comunist/socialist view that the Aclu has pushed. It is True that state constituions have seperation between church and state but that can be debated as uncostional.
You want to tax churches but the majority of churces Feed the homeless, builds schools and homes. educate. Look at the Billions of dolars that came into the gulf region from churches after katrina. If you had to be taxed for all the things churches do for the comunities they are in you would realise how good of a deal the goverment has with the relegious establishments

 

[mudplayerx]

In a report published by StratFor, it was concluded that if America called in the rest of the world's debt owed to us all at once, the world economy would collapse.
I believe debt and deficit helps the world economy in a way.

 

[jones]

Originally Posted by 37g Joe

You want to tax churches but the majority of churces Feed the homeless, builds schools and homes. educate. Look at the Billions of dolars that came into the gulf region from churches after katrina. If you had to be taxed for all the things churches do for the comunities they are in you would realise how good of a deal the goverment has with the relegious establishments
Obviously not all the money goes toward these charitable causes. This would all fall into the same categories as all the other charitable causes that are preformed by non-religious organizations. There's nothing wrong with taxing the money that goes soley toward spreading all the different religious propoganda from all the religions. And there's nothing wrong with taxing the money that goes toward that big screen t.v. for the people whos sole source of income comes from the church.

 

[happyvac]

Originally Posted by jones
Obviously not all the money goes toward these charitable causes. This would all fall into the same categories as all the other charitable causes that are preformed by non-religious organizations. There's nothing wrong with taxing the money that goes soley toward spreading all the different religious propoganda from all the religions. And there's nothing wrong with taxing the money that goes toward that big screen t.v. for the people whos sole source of income comes from the church.
You're thinking of televangelists with that TV thing

 

[jones]

Originally Posted by Pontius
I agree, then the liberals wouldn't have any room to complain about the 10 Commandments being in public places or children being able to pray in school, because there would no longer be a separation of church and state. get it? you can't sh!t on religions the way some people love to do because "hey, there's a separation of church and state" and then expect to have the authority to completely ignore this separation by taxing them. you can't have it both ways.

What?? So anything that's taxed is to be mandated or officially recognized and pushed for by the government? I hardly think so.

 

[jones]

Originally Posted by HappyVac
You're thinking of televangelists with that TV thing

Not really, although they are definately included. I'm thinking of the many many people who make a personal income from churches and use that money for any sort of frivolous expenditures.

 

[mudplayerx]

Separation of church and state was made to protect church from state, not the other way around. These liberals and hippies are the ones who have totally gotten it all backwards and made it to where we can't even say the pledge of allegiance in our schools.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by jones
What?? So anything that's taxed is to be mandated or officially recognized and pushed for by the government? I hardly think so.
huh? I have no clue what you are trying to say there.
like another poster pointed out, the actual constitution says very little about any of this. but since socialist groups like the ACLU and the Supreme Court stretch it so far out of shape to govern what can and can't be taught in schools or displayed in public, there's absolutely no way that they can authorize themself to say that they are owed any tax from churches. they want a true separation, they got it, and they won't be getting taxes from religious organizations.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by jones
There's nothing wrong with taxing the money that goes soley toward spreading all the different religious propoganda from all the religions. And there's nothing wrong with taxing the money that goes toward that big screen t.v. for the people whos sole source of income comes from the church.

there's plenty wrong with it. these liberal groups have misinterpreted the Constitution to the point that there is a total separation between church and state (which was not exactly what the writers of the Constitution had in mind). so by their own agenda, they don't have the authority to tax any religious organization.
I don't know what you're talking about with the big screen tv. are you talking about a minister that makes his living from a church and goes out to buy a tv? if so, that IS taxed. it's called sales tax.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by mudplayerx
Separation of church and state was made to protect church from state, not the other way around. These liberals and hippies are the ones who have totally gotten it all backwards and made it to where we can't even say the pledge of allegiance in our schools.

actually, I believe the amendment was written to protect the citizens from a particular church, as all major nations had basically been ruled by a government sponsored religion up to that point. the amendment was basically saying that the government would not establish a state sponsored religion or force citizens to worship in a specific religious, but rather give them the freedom to worship as the please. of course these liberal groups have taken this to an extreme.
taxing a religion would be VERY UNCONSTITUTIONAL because that would be establishing a religion. if religion was taxed, it would be the biggest taxpayer in the country. and who gets the biggest favors from the government? the biggest money makers. so if the church is the biggest government money maker, the government has therefore established a religion.
either way, the people that think this is a good idea can dream on, cause it will never happen. as long as religious people turn out to the voting booths in the millions, not even Ted Kennedy would touch this issue.

 

[jones]

Originally Posted by Pontius
I don't know what you're talking about with the big screen tv. are you talking about a minister that makes his living from a church and goes out to buy a tv? if so, that IS taxed. it's called sales tax.
I don't know about you, but I pay a federal income tax, a state income tax, and then a sales tax to be able to by my t.v.
Plus, some places don't even have a sales tax, so in that case there would be 0 taxes paid.