The End Of Pontiac and 23,000 more U.S. Jobs
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mantisman51
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Obama said last week that the Federal govt would guarantee all warranties if the car companies went out of business. Anyway, Pontiac has the same front end on the 2009 that started on the 85 Grand Am. They have tried to to hard to have their own look, and 24 years on, it's boring. Pontiac is redundant in the Generals line up, so there is no real purpose for it to exist. The sales don't lie and Pontiac sells less than 1/3 the cars they did in 1978, their highest year. I think the Holden, er G8 is a fantastic car, but should be an Impala SS, rather than a Pontiac.
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3028945
Interesting....Should have dropped GMC instead, makes me wish I bought a G8, instead of my Bimmer.
It's hard to say. GMC still sells more then enough Sierras to pay for itself and they have the medium-duty segment as well. Pontiac had the 2nd most models behind Chevy, yet total sales weren't up there. Buick will stick around because of their success in China. The problem with Pontiac is that they were suppose to be the "excitement" divison in GM. And while they did have 2 great cars in the G8 and Solstice, they also have models like this; I just hope they will bring the G8 over into a Chevrolet model soon.
Saturn and Hummer are next be dropped, and Saab will be sold off, as GM will focus on 4 core brands in the US, Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC, and Buick. Likely to keep Opel alive in the European market.
As experienced already through the death of Oldsmobile, any warranty work/repair will be done at another GM dealer.
http:///forum/post/3028945
Interesting....Should have dropped GMC instead, makes me wish I bought a G8, instead of my Bimmer.
It's hard to say. GMC still sells more then enough Sierras to pay for itself and they have the medium-duty segment as well. Pontiac had the 2nd most models behind Chevy, yet total sales weren't up there. Buick will stick around because of their success in China. The problem with Pontiac is that they were suppose to be the "excitement" divison in GM. And while they did have 2 great cars in the G8 and Solstice, they also have models like this; I just hope they will bring the G8 over into a Chevrolet model soon.
Saturn and Hummer are next be dropped, and Saab will be sold off, as GM will focus on 4 core brands in the US, Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC, and Buick. Likely to keep Opel alive in the European market.
As experienced already through the death of Oldsmobile, any warranty work/repair will be done at another GM dealer.
zsqure
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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3028945
Interesting....Should have dropped GMC instead, makes me wish I bought a G8, instead of my Bimmer.
That was a joke right? You actually THINK a GM product is superior to a BMW? Not to mention weathering the 30 years in a barn somewhere it'll take to be worth anything. C'mon this isn't April First. Keep your bimmer you'll enjoy it much more, and have to replace parts less.
http:///forum/post/3028945
Interesting....Should have dropped GMC instead, makes me wish I bought a G8, instead of my Bimmer.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by zsqure
http:///forum/post/3029000
That was a joke right? You actually THINK a GM product is superior to a BMW? Not to mention weathering the 30 years in a barn somewhere it'll take to be worth anything. C'mon this isn't April First. Keep your bimmer you'll enjoy it much more, and have to replace parts less.
Actually the G8 has been getting pretty good reviews since its release. It has similar lines to the BMW, and with the added horsepower, it's really not a bad vehicle. My wife's G6 has been very reliable, and we haven't had any major issues with it. It has the retractable hardtop on it, so we did need to get one of the cables that folds the top into the trunk fixed, but the Pontiac dealer fixed with no issues and absolutely free. I know two or three people who have been looking at the G8 over the BMW. Mainly due to the fact that repair costs for the G8 are significantly lower than what it costs to fix a BMW. A girl I work with has one of the BMW crossovers, and she had to pay $3500 to get a leaky radiator fixed. Brake job was $1500. I've never paid anywhere near that for repairs to any GM vehicle I've owned.
http:///forum/post/3029000
Actually the G8 has been getting pretty good reviews since its release. It has similar lines to the BMW, and with the added horsepower, it's really not a bad vehicle. My wife's G6 has been very reliable, and we haven't had any major issues with it. It has the retractable hardtop on it, so we did need to get one of the cables that folds the top into the trunk fixed, but the Pontiac dealer fixed with no issues and absolutely free. I know two or three people who have been looking at the G8 over the BMW. Mainly due to the fact that repair costs for the G8 are significantly lower than what it costs to fix a BMW. A girl I work with has one of the BMW crossovers, and she had to pay $3500 to get a leaky radiator fixed. Brake job was $1500. I've never paid anywhere near that for repairs to any GM vehicle I've owned.
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by zsqure
http:///forum/post/3029000
That was a joke right? You actually THINK a GM product is superior to a BMW? Not to mention weathering the 30 years in a barn somewhere it'll take to be worth anything. C'mon this isn't April First. Keep your bimmer you'll enjoy it much more, and have to replace parts less.
Guess it depends on what you're looking for. Google the 2009 CTS-V. Nothing BMW makes can compete
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3029009
I know two or three people who have been looking at the G8 over the BMW. Mainly due to the fact that repair costs for the G8 are significantly lower than what it costs to fix a BMW.
I would say a lot of their decision would also have to do with performance as well. You get far more go-fast for your buck in the G8, then a Bimmer.
http:///forum/post/3029000
Guess it depends on what you're looking for. Google the 2009 CTS-V. Nothing BMW makes can compete
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3029009
I know two or three people who have been looking at the G8 over the BMW. Mainly due to the fact that repair costs for the G8 are significantly lower than what it costs to fix a BMW.
I would say a lot of their decision would also have to do with performance as well. You get far more go-fast for your buck in the G8, then a Bimmer.
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3029141
With the exception of the loss of jobs...good riddance...Although I think Buick's should have gone first....Who buys Buick's anymore...and the Hummer should go too...who needs a vehicle that costs that much and uses that much gas....
China. GM is by far the #1 auto manufacture in China, with 15% of the market, and the most popular brand is Buick. The Chinese view American manufactures for their quality. The problem will be how GM will, IMO, distant Buick from Cadillac domestically. GM was more then successful revamping Cadillac's image with the Escalade and CTS, but Buick has pretty much been stagnat, some good models here and there like the Enclave and Lucerne. The problem will be getting Buick out from Cadillac's shadow, without hurting Cadillac. GM has been long rumored to position Buick as a Lexus-fighter.
As for the Hummer comment, yep, that's problem with Hummer, the stereotype. Anyone sees a Hummer, regardless of model (H1, H2, or H3) and associates it will the original Humvee derivative (H1), even though the H3 with it's I-5 engine gets decent MPG (for an SUV).
http:///forum/post/3029141
With the exception of the loss of jobs...good riddance...Although I think Buick's should have gone first....Who buys Buick's anymore...and the Hummer should go too...who needs a vehicle that costs that much and uses that much gas....
China. GM is by far the #1 auto manufacture in China, with 15% of the market, and the most popular brand is Buick. The Chinese view American manufactures for their quality. The problem will be how GM will, IMO, distant Buick from Cadillac domestically. GM was more then successful revamping Cadillac's image with the Escalade and CTS, but Buick has pretty much been stagnat, some good models here and there like the Enclave and Lucerne. The problem will be getting Buick out from Cadillac's shadow, without hurting Cadillac. GM has been long rumored to position Buick as a Lexus-fighter.
As for the Hummer comment, yep, that's problem with Hummer, the stereotype. Anyone sees a Hummer, regardless of model (H1, H2, or H3) and associates it will the original Humvee derivative (H1), even though the H3 with it's I-5 engine gets decent MPG (for an SUV).
deejeff442
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we just traded our 2006 h3 for a yukon .
i like the yukon alot .
better ride you can actually see around the truck,the hummer had a ton of blind spots with those little windows.
the gas milage wasnt that great 17mpg.
i like the yukon alot .
better ride you can actually see around the truck,the hummer had a ton of blind spots with those little windows.
the gas milage wasnt that great 17mpg.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3029172
As for the Hummer comment, yep, that's problem with Hummer, the stereotype. Anyone sees a Hummer, regardless of model (H1, H2, or H3) and associates it will the original Humvee derivative (H1), even though the H3 with it's I-5 engine gets decent MPG (for an SUV).
What are you talking about? Hummer screwed up because they watered down their original product. (that and they priced it way to high) But if I could go in and buy a military issue hummer I sooo would. Now you get some rich kid toy that is too expensive to really be used for something other than street driving...
http:///forum/post/3029172
As for the Hummer comment, yep, that's problem with Hummer, the stereotype. Anyone sees a Hummer, regardless of model (H1, H2, or H3) and associates it will the original Humvee derivative (H1), even though the H3 with it's I-5 engine gets decent MPG (for an SUV).
What are you talking about? Hummer screwed up because they watered down their original product. (that and they priced it way to high) But if I could go in and buy a military issue hummer I sooo would. Now you get some rich kid toy that is too expensive to really be used for something other than street driving...
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3029212
What are you talking about? Hummer screwed up because they watered down their original product. (that and they priced it way to high) But if I could go in and buy a military issue hummer I sooo would. Now you get some rich kid toy that is too expensive to really be used for something other than street driving...
What are you talking about? When has a Hummer product ever been cheap/affordable? The original has always been gonzo-expensive. When they introduced the H2, they did go mass market, but I definitely disagree with the term "watered-down." The H2 is phenomenal off-road. GM states it can do 80% of what the H1 can. With the H2 costing $50,000-$60,000 that's great. I wouldn't expect it to run door to door with a $100,000 H1.
http:///forum/post/3029212
What are you talking about? Hummer screwed up because they watered down their original product. (that and they priced it way to high) But if I could go in and buy a military issue hummer I sooo would. Now you get some rich kid toy that is too expensive to really be used for something other than street driving...
What are you talking about? When has a Hummer product ever been cheap/affordable? The original has always been gonzo-expensive. When they introduced the H2, they did go mass market, but I definitely disagree with the term "watered-down." The H2 is phenomenal off-road. GM states it can do 80% of what the H1 can. With the H2 costing $50,000-$60,000 that's great. I wouldn't expect it to run door to door with a $100,000 H1.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3029243
What are you talking about? When has a Hummer product ever been cheap/affordable? The original has always been gonzo-expensive. When they introduced the H2, they did go mass market, but I definitely disagree with the term "watered-down." The H2 is phenomenal off-road. GM states it can do 80% of what the H1 can. With the H2 costing $50,000-$60,000 that's great. I wouldn't expect it to run door to door with a $100,000 H1.
Great if you don't mind taking a 60-100 grand car through the woods. Look the "offroads crowd" don't drive Hummers and Landrovers(which have good 4 wd packages with all computers). They drive jeeps, jimmys, scouts, and old broncos and blazers. They tried to turn the hummer into a luxury car. And well they just couldn't compete (by watered down)
http:///forum/post/3029243
What are you talking about? When has a Hummer product ever been cheap/affordable? The original has always been gonzo-expensive. When they introduced the H2, they did go mass market, but I definitely disagree with the term "watered-down." The H2 is phenomenal off-road. GM states it can do 80% of what the H1 can. With the H2 costing $50,000-$60,000 that's great. I wouldn't expect it to run door to door with a $100,000 H1.
Great if you don't mind taking a 60-100 grand car through the woods. Look the "offroads crowd" don't drive Hummers and Landrovers(which have good 4 wd packages with all computers). They drive jeeps, jimmys, scouts, and old broncos and blazers. They tried to turn the hummer into a luxury car. And well they just couldn't compete (by watered down)
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3029252
Great if you don't mind taking a 60-100 grand car through the woods. Look the "offroads crowd" don't drive Hummers and Landrovers(which have good 4 wd packages with all computers). They drive jeeps, jimmys, scouts, and old broncos and blazers. They tried to turn the hummer into a luxury car. And well they just couldn't compete (by watered down)
That "offroad crowd" is all but useless. They never buy new cars, so they'll of little use to manufactures, save that small group of core jeep guys.
On that same token is there really a difference between taking a $35,000 4x4 through the woods then a $60,000 H2?
http:///forum/post/3029252
Great if you don't mind taking a 60-100 grand car through the woods. Look the "offroads crowd" don't drive Hummers and Landrovers(which have good 4 wd packages with all computers). They drive jeeps, jimmys, scouts, and old broncos and blazers. They tried to turn the hummer into a luxury car. And well they just couldn't compete (by watered down)
That "offroad crowd" is all but useless. They never buy new cars, so they'll of little use to manufactures, save that small group of core jeep guys.
On that same token is there really a difference between taking a $35,000 4x4 through the woods then a $60,000 H2?
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3029324
That "offroad crowd" is all but useless. They never buy new cars, so they'll of little use to manufactures, save that small group of core jeep guys.
On that same token is there really a difference between taking a $35,000 4x4 through the woods then a $60,000 H2?
No, but a spoiled little teenager is more likely to get a 35k car cs a 60-70k car. And well yeah, I think so. We'll play with a f-250 way before we'd play with a hummer.
http:///forum/post/3029324
That "offroad crowd" is all but useless. They never buy new cars, so they'll of little use to manufactures, save that small group of core jeep guys.
On that same token is there really a difference between taking a $35,000 4x4 through the woods then a $60,000 H2?
No, but a spoiled little teenager is more likely to get a 35k car cs a 60-70k car. And well yeah, I think so. We'll play with a f-250 way before we'd play with a hummer.