The idol of Obama

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2610901
I find it interesting in the speech that he'd compare democrats to nazi appeasers ......

Nowhere, as in absolutely nowhere, does the word "obama" or the word "Democrat" occur in the speech.
what is interesting is how quickly the Democrats got defensive on this topic.

 

[reefraff]

Besides even if all that were true what does that have to do with W? My Grandfather was an elder in the LDS Church. Does that make me a Mormon?
So what you are saying is, even if you have a long standing association with someone that doesn't mean you share the same beliefs? So then why do you guys hammer on the Obama and Rev Wright association or even his association with Ayers? Seriously, you guys make me laugh sometimes.
Wait, if we don't negotiate with terrorist groups then how did our government help broker peace in Northern Ireland? So, when Clinton did this and accomplished a major feat this was a sign that he was also unqualified because he used talks and negotiating?
You choose your associates, not your family members. Obama is associated with several marxists and the racist preacher by choice. Bushes grandfather died like 40 years ago. Bushes father fought the Nazi's in WWII, kinda blows the hell out of the family sympathiser theory.
Clinton didn't negotiate with the IRA until they first called cease fire and second agreed to the Mitchell principles.
(George Mitchell doesn't get nearly as much credit for his foreign policy skills as he deserves, among the best in the world for the 20th century)

 

[bdhutier]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2611057
You also ignore comments made in 2006 by McCain about Hamas...and we needing to engage them...
The word, "engage" has a different meaning to a military man, Rylan... to us it means "close with and destroy."

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2611057
So let me get this right... you give Bush a pass on his grandfather, who profited from Nazi Germany, (this is probably where they got a large amount of their wealth from) yet you jump on Obama about his comments on a person who was a "father figure", or his dad being muslim, or Ayers...
As has been pointed out, the Bush family and profiting from Nazi Germany is a bogus claim. further, to try to equate a man and his grandfather to a man and his friends and pastor is absurd. President Bush can't choose his Grandfather. Obama chose Wright and Ayers.
Originally Posted by Rylan
You also ignore comments made in 2006 by McCain about Hamas...and we needing to engage them...
What McCain said was that we needed to have diplomats engage Iran... not the President of the United States. Further, he made those comments in 1996 before the latest round of rockets began to rain down from Gaza into Jerusalem. To the best of my knowledge McCain doesn't have any staffers currently meeting with Hamas, nor does he attend a church where Hamas propaganda is printed in their newsletter. I really don't think an Obama supporter wants to pursue the Hamas angle. It's a no win for Obama.
Originally Posted by Rylan
Also, the past and current Sec of Defense has said we needed to have talks with Hamas.. people such as C. Rice and C Powell.
Links please. I suspect again they called for State Department talks, in conjunction with other nation's. Not unconditional one on one talks with the President of the USA like Obama called for.
Originally Posted by Rylan
Its just very funny to see how hypocritical everyone is as well as Bush and McCain... This has been a bad week for them because Bush disgraced his office with his comments... and McCain followed them up....
There is nothing hypocritical about anything unless you refuse to educate yourself as to the truth to what has actually been said by all parties involved. You need to research and read the speeches before making such accusations Rylan.
Obama had yet another revealing week. He totally over-reacted and basically identified himself as an Appeaser. He denies saying he would sit down with terrorists when less than a year ago he said he would (unless you don't consider folks like the Iranians terrorists). He mispoke badly regarding the need for Arabic interpreters in Afghanistan (where they don't speak Arabic), and the need for Agricultural Specialists in Afghanistan that were being sent instead to Iraq (Ya, farming is the big issue in Iraq right now. Lord knows those sand dunes aren't going to plant themselves) as well as confusing the number of States in the United States (although there are 57 Islamic States; but I'm sure that was just coinsidence). He also magically began wearing a Flag Lapel Pin again after saying not too long ago that wearing such a pin was a replacement for true patriotism.
The truth is the truth Rylan. Support Obama if you wish, but don't try to paint the truth into a more rosy picture. There are too many of us around here that spend the time to keep ourselves too educated to fall for it.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2610913
.... UNITED States of America means something else to him....
Considering Obama says there are at least 57 States in the United States I'm certain the USA means something different to a lot of us.

 

[suzy]

"Hypocritical" is now part of the Repub platform.
I wish I could post the link of McCain on Meet the Press. It is going to go over big time on the MoveOn.org spots in August.
I do find it interesting that you guys keep bringing up the old pastor thing. The Mississippi Republicans did that. Their candidate lost too.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2611595
"Hypocritical" is now part of the Repub platform.
I wish I could post the link of McCain on Meet the Press. It is going to go over big time on the MoveOn.org spots in August.
I do find it interesting that you guys keep bringing up the old pastor thing. The Mississippi Republicans did that. Their candidate lost too.
Post the link.

 

[suzy]

Sorry, it's a video. Videos of McCains actual words coming out of his actual mouth are not allowed. I tried a few times and they just get edited.
But, they will be flooding the airways in August, so you'll get to see them as we make history!

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2611733
Sorry, it's a video. Videos of McCains actual words coming out of his actual mouth are not allowed. I tried a few times and they just get edited.
But, they will be flooding the airways in August, so you'll get to see them as we make history!
Again that's a lie.
Links are only deleted when the page leads to inappropriate content. If you can find a news link where vulgar language isn't part of the link post away.
Please quit lying about the Modding that goes on around here Suzy. You've had every deleted thread explained to you. As Mods we see what the other Mods have done. If you ever feel a thread has been deleted unfairly by a Mod you have 8 other Mods you can appeal to.