The LONG Road to my Custom tank...

shinypebble

New Member
Hello all
first post here and I got a lot of questions.
I am in the process of saving up for a custom tank that I would like to put in my room. The design I have come up with is a 3 foot long, 2 foot wide and 2 foot deep acrylic tank. I want this to look as clean as possible with as little hardware as possible in the tank itself. The dimensions i just listed bring this tank to be a 89.64 gallon tank if I did my math right
. I am some what new to setting up and cycling a saltwater tank and I want to do it right. For starters I would also like to include a sump, and a refugium. What size should each of these be to sustain my tank properly? In the refugium I plan to keep marine plants, what type of lighting is recommended? In the sump I plan to have the water fall through some filter pads/media filters and other essentials, then flow over live rock then over to the refugium and back into the tank. Is a UV sterilizer needed and if so what is recommended? What size heater should be placed in the sump? What type and size Protein skimmer should be used? Inside the tank I understand that it is very important to maintain proper water flow so that corals and fish can thrive. Is a wave maker better then a standard power head? How many power heads/wave makers are recommended? I plan to keep SPS/LPS corals and REEF SAFE FISH ONLY!!! I also cannot decide if the tank should be a bare bottom or sand substrate. I prefer sand, any recommendations for that choice or is that personal preference? As for the rock in the tank, should I just be using bare rock or cultured live rock? I hear that if I go with live rock that it must be cured first, is this true? I have no problem starting with bare rock I like to see things grow and progress! I also have an LED fixture from another tank i have that I was going to use for this tank. It consists of 55 LED cells, 25 white and 30 royal blue. Each bulb is 2w giving me 120w of output, will this be enough for the tank for ANY type of SPS/LPS coral I would like? And finally
, I am trying to cut cost as much as possible on this and I would like to build my own stand. Is there some type of formula that I can be pointed to so that the stand will be able to withstand the weight of the tank, water, and rock? Tank will be made for me as a birthday gift to myself in June! So I would like to sort out these details in the meantime so as not to make this a money pit and loss of fish/coral! ANY info is very much appreciated!!!

Tank you!
~Steve~
 

rickross23

Active Member
Make sump/refuge as big as possible...bigger is better.
Buy a 20$ FW light or a cheap home depot lamp for a light.
Uv sterilizer is NOT needed.
Get a heater big enough for your tanks volume(including sump)
Skimmers are different..external, internal, or HOB...first two work best. Hob is garbage for the most part. For your tank look into a 130+g skimmer (your 90g tank +sump, in this case 40g)
Wave makers are different than powerheads...I recommend both...2 powerheads and a wavemaker...Ecotech Marine wavemakers can handle a tank by their selfx but they are pricey.
I'd do sand, since it houses beneficial critters, and looks natural. When siphoning sand, NEVER vacuum deeper than an inch or else ammonia, nitrates, and other harmful effects will arise.
Rocks ur choice...bare rock becomes live rock.
Idk about the brand name of your light, but I'd say you could probably keep Zoanthids, and mushrooms Definetly with the light, but if you want a thriving reef with Anemones and sps, lps, corals, you Definetly need an update. HTH.
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Hi, welcome to the site. I hope you enjoy your stay.
Don't skimp.
2x4's and some 3/4" oak plywood stained up should look nice with some trim. If you frame it up with 2x4's, it will definitely be strong enough for that sized tank. Get the tank before you build the stand.
Consider adding a closed loop system to the tank. It will eliminate the use of bulky powerheads in the tank. Also, consider adding a ecotech vortech mp40 to the side of the tank. This will help give the tank more natural waves and a lot of water flow. The closed loop pump should push no less than 1600gph but you should consider going slightly higher at 2000gph. Get an efficient external pump like a Reeflo Snapper. There are so many reasons to buy that brand.
I like barebottom tanks because you have no sandbed to maintain and you can push a lot more water flow through the tank, which is what SPS corals need.
I believe you should look into other forms of lighting. I don't believe that led unit will be strong enough for SPS, clams and anemones. If you are stuck on LEDs, look at name brand units no less than 500$. With a 3foot tank, you will be hard pressed to find a unit anyways. Or it would also be possible to add on to your current unit.
Make maintenance as easy as possible. Use an auto top off system to keep your salinity stable. Have a container you can mix saltwater in. Use a powerhead to stir your salt. Use the same powerhead to pump water to your tank when you do water changes. Consider buying an RO unit to purify all of your water. (this is a key to success).
Consider an aquarium controller. If you are wanting a lot of corals that use a lot of calcium and alkalinity, enough where water changes are not enough to keep up with demand, you will eventually want to get a dosing system of sort. Kalk stirrers, dosing pumps, and calcium reactors are all good for making up the ca and alk needed. Each one has heir challenges.
Something else to consider adding to your system is brs dual reactor. One side is for carbon, which polishes your water and prevents yellowing or other discolorations and it also removes toxins from chemical warfares. The other side is for a phosphate reactor which cleans, polishes and removes phosphate from the water. By using this, your SPS corals will thrive and coralline algae will explode.
Anyways, I hope you have fun on your project.
 

shinypebble

New Member
Thank you for all the info and please keep it coming! Just brainstorming about the available space that I am going to have to work with, I'm coming up with a 29gallon tank for my sump/refugium, in order to keep everything hidden under the tank. Is this going to be big enough for them to be combined into the same tank? I will skip the UV sterilizer as suggested. For the heater I was wondering if there was a certain brand/type that is recommended over others? As for the protein skimmer, is there any advantage to having an external skimmer verses an internal skimmer? Would I even have room for an internal skimmer if my sump/refugium is only 29 gallons and in the same tank? I like the idea of the closed loop system with the wavemaker setup and will end up going with this, the ability to maintain proper flow and have less hardware in the tank sounds perfect to me!
I will also be going with sand, just as a personal preference and the fact that it is more natural and houses helpful critters for the tank. Is live sand better then other types of sand? What type of sand is recommended (I would prefer a very fine sand if possible). Bare rock will be used for my aquascape, will end up epoxying a cluster of rock together with different height shelves. As far as lighting goes I will most likely pick up another LED fixture like the one I currently have and that should be more then enough lighting i would assume
(any pointers would be most appreciated). I want to stay with LEDs, just personal preference. As far as my stand goes is there a thread on this forum that could help me with that as far as a base design would go for spacing the supports on the frame so on so forth. Unfortunately due to the location of the tank an auto top off is out of the question
I will just have to keep up with the maintenance myself. The salt I plan to use is Red Sea's Coral Pro Salt (Accelerated Coral Growth) would this be a good kind to use? Do I really need an Aquarium Controller? Wouldn't proper manual dosing do the same thing as the Controller? Lastly to touch on the BRS dual reactor, my dad has a 90 gallon tank in our family room and we have a RO unit in the basement (click "RO unit" for link to EXACT system) I believe the BRS reactor is included in that as well? I apologize ahead of time for two things, one being the dumb/noob sounding questions but I want to be sure I am doing this right! Secondly the lapse of time between questions and actual assembly (mid June)
as I have stated before I just want to be sure I do everything correct the first time around! Any and all helpful feedback is very much appreciated!!

Tank you!
~Steve~
 

acrylic51

Active Member
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Originally Posted by ShinyPebble http:///t/391311/the-long-road-to-my-custom-tank#post_3469860
Thank you for all the info and please keep it coming! Just brainstorming about the available space that I am going to have to work with, I'm coming up with a 29gallon tank for my sump/refugium, in order to keep everything hidden under the tank. Is this going to be big enough for them to be combined into the same tank? I will skip the UV sterilizer as suggested(This piece is optional and there's no real correct or incorrect answer as to use or not use it. If run correctly can be benefical). For the heater I was wondering if there was a certain brand/type that is recommended over others? I prefer either Jali, Finnex or Ebo Jager heaters. The first 2 mentioned are titanium heaters, but most find the Ebo Jager heaters on the large side, but these are my recommendations. As for the protein skimmer, is there any advantage to having an external skimmer verses an internal skimmer? Running external or internal is totally personal choice. Most opt for internal due to not having the ability to hide the skimmer out of site, and internal is virtually no plumbing work involved where as an external skimmer requires more plumbing and usually an extra pump to feed the skimmer itself. Would I even have room for an internal skimmer if my sump/refugium is only 29 gallons and in the same tank? I like the idea of the closed loop system with the wavemaker setup and will end up going with this, the ability to maintain proper flow and have less hardware in the tank sounds perfect to me!
Flow inside the DT can be achieved many numerous ways....CL are ideal if you have the room to work with plumbing, and keep in mind that you would need a dedicated pump to push the CL itself....It is basically a self contained loop. As with PH's don't let anyone fool you....There really is no PH that isn't intrusive on your DT.....They all have a foot print, and depending what you can live with will dictate which way you go. I will also be going with sand, just as a personal preference and the fact that it is more natural and houses helpful critters for the tank. Is live sand better then other types of sand? What type of sand is recommended (I would prefer a very fine sand if possible). I looked at the above statement and you must keep in mind that running CL's and PH's and depending on flow rate inside the DT you may have issues with sand blowing.....There are ways (some) possible ways around sand storms inside the tank, but there's nothing set in stone that they will or won't work. Again I caution about using very fine sand if your going or intending to use tons of flow inside the DT.....Again sand choices comes down to personal preference....You could use all dry sand and use a cup or 2 of quality live sand to seed your sand bed saving you tons of money. The statement you made prior about sand housing helpful critters.....True and untrue.....Tanks as you know can be run without a sand bed, and there's no set rule that states you have to have a sand bed to have critters....Your sand bed/choice should be thought about depending on the "critters" you choose to house...... Bare rock will be used for my aquascape, will end up epoxying a cluster of rock together with different height shelves. As far as lighting goes I will most likely pick up another LED fixture like the one I currently have and that should be more then enough lighting i would assume
(any pointers would be most appreciated). I want to stay with LEDs, just personal preference. Again lighting is a personal preference, but as long as the LEDs are of decent quality that will dictate what you can and can't keep as far as corals.... As far as my stand goes is there a thread on this forum that could help me with that as far as a base design would go for spacing the supports on the frame so on so forth. If you check the DIY forum there are plenty of good examples in build threads on good practices on stand construction. Also you'll get tons of ideas as to what might or might not be useful to you when you build your stand.... Unfortunately due to the location of the tank an auto top off is out of the question
I will just have to keep up with the maintenance myself. The salt I plan to use is Red Sea's Coral Pro Salt (Accelerated Coral Growth) would this be a good kind to use? There is no proven data out there that proves 1 salt is any better than others.....This has been a big debated topic forever, and bottom line, what works good in 1 system may not work in another....Just to many variables....I'd recommend start with a salt and do research and if you google you'll find a good thread over on RC outlining findings and such on different salt brands and parameter readings on the salts as well, which you might find handy....It's basically a guide line as to what to look for to get you in a target area your shooting for.... Do I really need an Aquarium Controller?No.....A controller is more a luxury item, but it does make things very convenient as far as controlling lights, pumps, temp, and can even send email alerts and what not if your at work or away on vacation....It can also be used to controller your ATO and can be configured to perform automatic water changes depending how fancy you want to get. Wouldn't proper manual dosing do the same thing as the Controller? Yes and No....A controller as explained in the previous statement does quite a bit more, but it can be configured with dosing pumps to dose your tank accordingly, but depending on the consumption of your tank it might be easier to manually dose the tank as you've suggested. Lastly to touch on the BRS dual reactor, my dad has a 90 gallon tank in our family room and we have a RO unit in the basement (click "RO unit" for link to EXACT system) I believe the BRS reactor is included in that as well? Sorry maybe a bit of confusion on your or my part, but the BRS reactor is a totally different piece of equipment than the RO unit.....They are totally independent of each other and perform totally different functions....The BRS reactor and I think it was Seth that mentioned them are used to run carbon and GFO in. The RO unit is what produces pure water to be used for water changes, and top offs..... I apologize ahead of time for two things, one being the dumb/noob sounding questions but I want to be sure I am doing this right! Secondly the lapse of time between questions and actual assembly (mid June)
as I have stated before I just want to be sure I do everything correct the first time around! Any and all helpful feedback is very much appreciated!!
Trust me....There are quite a few of us that no about long drawn out builds.....Myself included......

Tank you!
~Steve~
 
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saxman

Guest
Sounds like a great footprint! I LOVE 24" wide tanx...lots of aquascaping possibilities.
Since you're having the tank custom-built, look into having an external O/F box...it's SUPER nice, doesn't show, and takes up no internal room.
I strongly concur with running a CL on your setup. On a 3' setup, you could go with 2 or 3 CL returns and two main returns. I like to use SCWD's to alternate flow...they're cheap and I've currently got 3 of them that have been in use for years. Just be sure to drive them with a >500 gph rated pump.
Here's the scheme of a 4' x 2' x 20" 100 gal we have running:


Dual drain hoses not shown in this photo:

HTH you visualize things.
 

shinypebble

New Member
This is all very helpful and useful information and I cannot thank you guys enough! However I am still unsure on the BRS reactor that was recommended, is this the same as a "Bio Pellet Reactor"? If I'm wrong please correct me!
. Saxman looking at that closed loop makes me want to go this route 100%! As clean as possible on the inside of the tank is the goal here for me! Again keep the tips and info coming in everyone it's all very helpful! Over the next few days-week I will be putting together a materials list for pricing purposes, input on my final items will be much appreciated!
 

acrylic51

Active Member

This is what Snake was referring to when he mentioned a BRS reactor
With the reactor you can run carbon or GFO in for water quality.......
Bio pellet reactors are constructed somewhat similar, but IMO they get mixed reviews......
 

acrylic51

Active Member
The bio pellet I posted could be run in sump....The reactor would just be fed water using the maxi jet PH from the tank or sump.....There are so many ways and places these things can be employed.....Hopefully shortly I'll post some pics over in my build thread showing some progress, but will also detail how I have my reactors plumbed into the system......
 

shinypebble

New Member
Ah I understand now thank you! If I think of any more questions I will be sure to come back with them, is there anything else I need or am missing or did we cover it all?
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Biopellets is a waste of money. It has yet to be proven effective at doing anything.
A brs dual reactor should be plenty enough chemical filtration for your project.
 

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/391311/the-long-road-to-my-custom-tank#post_3470512
Biopellets is a waste of money. It has yet to be proven effective at doing anything.
A brs dual reactor should be plenty enough chemical filtration for your project.
I don't fully agree. First, it's a small investment, and the science behind the idea is sound so it's worth tinkering with to experiment with the concept. Second, there has been some recent work published in CORAL that points to the possibility that a multi-carbon bioplastic source (similar to the way those of us who dose vodka often use a vodga-glucose-vinegar mix) is very efficient at growing the correct bacterial colonies.
A blanket statement that "Biopellets are a waste of money" discourages healthy experimentation, and if we all felt that way I think our hobby would grow much more slowly. A much more accurate statement (and one I personally think is true) would be, "Work with biopellet reactors hasn't given us a 100% definitive answer if they work well or not, but they are NOT a silver bullet."
I'm hesitant to say anything yea or nay about them, but I DO have a TLF reactor and the biopellet kit for my 110g if I ever want to set it up and see.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
I think anything is possible at working, because each system is different in every aspect, but most that had jumped the wagon as far as using the bio pellets most have gone another route due to their findings of not getting the results they had hoped......
 

acrylic51

Active Member
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Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/391311/the-long-road-to-my-custom-tank#post_3471183
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///t/391311/the-long-road-to-my-custom-tank#post_3470512
Biopellets is a waste of money. It has yet to be proven effective at doing anything.
A brs dual reactor should be plenty enough chemical filtration for your project.
I don't fully agree. First, it's a small investment, and the science behind the idea is sound so it's worth tinkering with to experiment with the concept. Second, there has been some recent work published in CORAL that points to the possibility that a multi-carbon bioplastic source (similar to the way those of us who dose vodka often use a vodga-glucose-vinegar mix) is very efficient at growing the correct bacterial colonies.
A blanket statement that "Biopellets are a waste of money" discourages healthy experimentation, and if we all felt that way I think our hobby would grow much more slowly. A much more accurate statement (and one I personally think is true) would be, "Work with biopellet reactors hasn't given us a 100% definitive answer if they work well or not, but they are NOT a silver bullet."
I'm hesitant to say anything yea or nay about them, but I DO have a TLF reactor and the biopellet kit for my 110g if I ever want to set it up and see.
Decent reactors aren't cheap, so it's not necessarily a small investment
 

novahobbies

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/391311/the-long-road-to-my-custom-tank#post_3471185
I think anything is possible at working, because each system is different in every aspect, but most that had jumped the wagon as far as using the bio pellets most have gone another route due to their findings of not getting the results they had hoped......
Agreed....I think most people tend to look for that one magical thing that fixes everything, and there's just no such thing as a silver bullet.
As for reactors.....while I haven't tried the TLF reactor yet, I've used the BRS reactor for GFO and it was pretty reliable and inexpensive....do you not consider that a quality reactor?
 

flower

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Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/391311/the-long-road-to-my-custom-tank#post_3471243
Agreed....I think most people tend to look for that one magical thing that fixes everything, and there's just no such thing as a silver bullet.
As for reactors.....while I haven't tried the TLF reactor yet, I've used the BRS reactor for GFO and it was pretty reliable and inexpensive....do you not consider that a quality reactor?
I have both TLF and BRS (one on each tank)...TLF reactor is actually easier to maintain (smaller and easier to mess with)...the BRS reactor is a pain in the butt...It does a great job but the hoses are stiff and it makes a noise no matter what I do. Attached to the wall you have to service it and get out the bucket...it is never clean and easy. At least with TLF it is small enough to just carry to the sink.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
I was referring more on the comment of the bio pellet reactor Novahobbies.....the reactors aren't a drop in the bucket as the GFO/Carbon reactors are, and results haven't really been impressive IMHO with bio pellets.
As far as the GFO/Carbon reactors I own both the TLF and the BRS. Flower that really isn't hose or tubing IMO more like flex PVC, but I know it has a real name just can't recall, but isn't near as flexible as the TLF. As far as ease I find both have their place of use. I have my BRS hard mounted and hard plumbed, and see it no more difficult servicing than my RO/DI unit. Drop the canister and walk away. I don't care for the TLF reactors. I like to be able to physically mount my equipment. The reactors do as they are designed just build wise I prefer BRS.
 
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