The stuf at the bottom of the tank...

keith burn

Active Member
Hi,
I have read a lot on saltwater (sw) tanks and sw fishkeeping in the past 5 years;
What type of sandbed is a question that comes up from time to time
so I'd like to put the question to bed, lol.
The stuff at the bottom of the tank...
1) glass bottom or no sand ( bare bottom )
(imo not a good look) But...
You want to be able to remove the waste from the tank.
With good circulation to help things get stirred up detritus will stay in the water column
and be filtered out by your filter system. Detritus that builds up behind the live rock can be siphoned out.
If You find dead spots, you can add flow or move the existing flow and in time, you will not have them.
No detritus in the tank will help keep water lvl's in balance.
You could use bare bottom in the display tank (DT) but nothing is to say you cannot have a sandbed in the sump and have the best of both worlds.
Most wet/dry filters that are used as sumps these days have a
middle section that will work well for a deep sand bed (DSB).
This IMO is the best way to get the bio benefit without the look of a sandbed in the DT.
A skimmer is a must IMO and if one is used, it needs to be put before the
DSB so the beneficial food will go into the tank and not in its cup.
Bare bottoms will not be bare forever. With time and exposure to lights, it will get covered with coralline and all kinds of stuff as your L/R matures,if you do not clean it like the front glass.
This will make the bottom look more like what you see on the L/R but it will take time for it to cover the bottom.
With a mature tank the bottom is a bio filter like the L/R and as it grows it may make up for the lack of biological filter of a sandbed.
This came from a big test on substrates...
(We did not test bare bottom tanks, but the data clearly suggest that the shallower the sediment, the higher the mortality rate, and you can't get much shallower than a bare bottom tank!)
Sand is the most popular substrate but in different particle sizes.
(fine sand 0.2mm) This is what most call (sugar sand or fine sand). It is good for looks and it will not hold detritus in it. You must manage the flow not to hit it or you will have a snow storm in the tank; not good for the look or the L/R. You cannot siphon it to clean it but, this is one of the thing I love, you have sand sifters clean it.
(coarse 2.0mm) This is CRUSHED CORAL, not the best way to go Imo it holds detritus. Phosphates ended up significantly higher in tanks with coarse sediments.Most sand dwellers can and will get cut by it. Sand sifters do not work well in it, unfortunately.It is not all bad, it is a good way to get help with calcium in to the tank(long term). It helps keep fine sand from getting hard and keep the flow going through it.
Imo a mix of fine and coarse sand 4-to-1 fine to coarse is best.
2) Sandbed 1 in to 3 in deep.
Biological Filtration
The basic principle with biological filtration is to take waste particles and break them down safely by biological means.
Regardless of how you explain or define it, the idea is to use living organisms to break down and consume waste products. Sandbeds are currently the most popular form of filtration media in today’s aquariums. They give you the ability to have sand sifting fish and some inverts that sift as well.
Live rock in fish only tanks may not provide enough living area for sufficient bacteria to keep all the nitrates out of your water. Sand helps with a place for the organisms to breed and live in significant quantities. The biological organisms will help if you have die off or a fish that has died; less material to be converted into ammonia.
It will give a base to set your L/R on and not the glass.
3) deep sandbed 3 in to 6 in deep
Biological Filtration And Anaerobic Filtration
The basic principle with Anaerobic Filtration is that it does not require air or oxygen for life applied especially to those microbes to which free oxygen is unnecessary.
All the Biological of a sandbed and more.
First) the deeper regions of the sandbed provide a great anaerobic environment for denitrifying bacteria.
Second) sandbeds are home to numerous meiofauna which will nthusiastically devour any uneaten food or waste material that falls from above.
Every bit that they consume is a little less material to be converted directly into ammonia.
(Biodiversity)A reef's success is the wide range of organisms that keep the system in balance.Balance is the key,if one lvl is off, a deep sandbed can compensate and bring it back to a balance.
The DSB will provide a food supply for fish and all kinds of critters in your tank.In time a breeding ground for food and organisms will help the system stay in balance.
 

keith burn

Active Member
(Note) DSB are not for the new s/w enthusiasts. If you move it, you will lose it.And there are some fish that do not work in DSBs. The clown fish is one that likes to move the sand from time to time. By doing so it will pull the water out of balance.
 

salty blues

Active Member
imo it is better to place live rock directly on the glass bottom. Placed on top of a sandbed it tends to shift especially with critters constantly moving the sand bed.
I put rock in first, then sand around the rocks. My .o2.
 

xtreeme

Member
3" is NOT a real Deep sand bed. Ive been told by some experts in this area to stay away from 3" no matter what. If shallow use 2" if deep 4" or more. Most sand beds fail are 3" deep. Id mention the site but I cant. Its not --.
 

keith burn

Active Member
Originally Posted by xtreeme
http:///forum/post/2694248
3" is NOT a real Deep sand bed. Ive been told by some experts in this area to stay away from 3" no matter what. If shallow use 2" if deep 4" or more. Most sand beds fail are 3" deep. Id mention the site but I cant. Its not --.
You must start 3'' is the start.
You go up from 3'' to 6''
Imo if I have a spot at 3'' it will not be the end of the world.
And no a 3'' bed will not work.
And ty for the post...
 

xtreeme

Member
What do you mean 3" is the start?
Do you mean you have to start with 3" then add later to get 5 or 6" DSB. I never heard that do you have any links.
Or you mean you started with 3" due to funds. I understand that if what you mean, same here.
 

xtreeme

Member
wetweb told me most 3" sandbed fail. Not enough air to be shallow not enough sand to be deep. So 1-2" or 4-6".
 

keith burn

Active Member
xtreeme;2705376 said:
What do you mean 3" is the start?
Do you mean you have to start with 3" then add later to get 5 or 6" DSB. I never heard that do you have any links.QUOTE]
You do not understand---- but you can't just go from 2in to 4in; most will understand the range 3in to 6in. You're right, a 3 in is not a deep sand bed, but one has to start somewhere, correct? If you had a 3 in sandbed in your tank, it wouldn't stay 3 inches evenly because of the fish moving it so, 3 in would be the bottom of the acceptable range. Understand now?
 

keith burn

Active Member
Originally Posted by smokingreefer
http:///forum/post/2707210
why will a 3" sand bed fail?
It's not that it will fail as a sand bead.
It's that it will not work as a dsb.
The basic principle with Anaerobic Filtration is that it does not require air or oxygen for life applied especially to those microbes to which free oxygen is unnecessary.
In a 3in sandbed you will have air in it to the glass and Anaerobic Filtration will not work.So no dsb filter...
 
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