mebanesox7
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Wuts evryones oppinion on the war on terror...
The war on terror?
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mebanesox7
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srry meant opinion...
pontius
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well, we put off our "war on terror" so that Bush could go avenge his daddy's pride from when Saddam was plotting to have him assassinated. if all our resources were being put into finding Al Qaida, like it should be, I'd have a high opinion of it. but since Bush has decided that finding Bin Laden is not that important, and that our open borders are a "plus", then he has pretty much abandoned all of us.
as for Israel's war on terror, I fully support them in their efforts to do what needs to be done to actually protect their people.
as for Israel's war on terror, I fully support them in their efforts to do what needs to be done to actually protect their people.
dogstar
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I hate war....
Seems like the powerfull and political and religous and alot of common folk do like them though.
I do wish there were other ways to deal with power and greed and death and destruction and sufferings other than just causeing more power and greed and death and destruction and sufferings....I dont know what the other ways would be but it sure dont seem like the present leaders of the world know either...or the past as far as it goes. I quess there always have been wars and I quess there always will be.
Seems like the powerfull and political and religous and alot of common folk do like them though.
I do wish there were other ways to deal with power and greed and death and destruction and sufferings other than just causeing more power and greed and death and destruction and sufferings....I dont know what the other ways would be but it sure dont seem like the present leaders of the world know either...or the past as far as it goes. I quess there always have been wars and I quess there always will be.
phixer
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Ive lost a lot of respect for Bush. His cowardly approach to securing our borders makes me ill. I bet if oil was involved things might be different. His talk is cheap, especially since his actions prove he really doesnt care.
I dont know many who do like war but unfortunately action is the only thing terrorists understand. It is a cancer and needs to be treated as such.
I dont know many who do like war but unfortunately action is the only thing terrorists understand. It is a cancer and needs to be treated as such.
37g joe
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I hate War Like I hate getting a cavity pulled but sometimes it is nessecary. Bush has not abandoend us Sadam was a threat and everyone felft so. peopke Die in war like people Die in fighting Fires. maybe because people Die to put out fires and stop them befor they kill people and property we should disband thembecause we are affraid that these men well die. those who are agaiset this battle dont undersand whats at stake. sadam was a flame that needed to be taken care of no mater what any one thinks yes it is dangerous to fight thoes flames and many good men and women Died but you dishonor what they died for.
pontius
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Saddam was a threat, yes, but not nearly as much as Iran.
the big problem with Iran is that unlike Iraq (under Saddam), Iran has a truly deep hatred of Israel (and the US). Saddam has had anti-Israel rhetoric and has even fired on them a few times, but it is always because he wants to stir up Arab support, not because he could really care less about Israel one way or the other. the only real problem he had the US was that we wouldn't let him overtake Kuwait.
so with Iran, they are a HUGE threat with their nuclear technology. they probably won't attack Israel directly, but will continue to support Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas like we already see them doing. when/if this does happen, the entire world knows that the US will come to Israel's aid.
and the problem with that is the Russia and China are being very quite. they are even stoking Iran's fire. they WANT Iran to war with Israel (which would mean war with the US) because they each want to be the world's superpower. and with each other's cooperation and weakening the US through wars in the middle east, they could accomplish this. so the BIGGEST threat to the US right now is Russia and China. Putin is one of the most wicked world leaders in power today, just nobody wants to talk about it.
the one good thing about Saddam, as wicked as he is, is that he knew how to keep the other muslim countries in check. no one ever heard a peep out of Iran after Iraq pretty well crushed them in the 80s. but with him out of the picture, Iran has quickly come back into the forefront.
the big problem with Iran is that unlike Iraq (under Saddam), Iran has a truly deep hatred of Israel (and the US). Saddam has had anti-Israel rhetoric and has even fired on them a few times, but it is always because he wants to stir up Arab support, not because he could really care less about Israel one way or the other. the only real problem he had the US was that we wouldn't let him overtake Kuwait.
so with Iran, they are a HUGE threat with their nuclear technology. they probably won't attack Israel directly, but will continue to support Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas like we already see them doing. when/if this does happen, the entire world knows that the US will come to Israel's aid.
and the problem with that is the Russia and China are being very quite. they are even stoking Iran's fire. they WANT Iran to war with Israel (which would mean war with the US) because they each want to be the world's superpower. and with each other's cooperation and weakening the US through wars in the middle east, they could accomplish this. so the BIGGEST threat to the US right now is Russia and China. Putin is one of the most wicked world leaders in power today, just nobody wants to talk about it.
the one good thing about Saddam, as wicked as he is, is that he knew how to keep the other muslim countries in check. no one ever heard a peep out of Iran after Iraq pretty well crushed them in the 80s. but with him out of the picture, Iran has quickly come back into the forefront.
nattybug33
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I agree with you Pontius, no one really has thought true and hard about what China would do to us. I don't think they would attack us on US soil, but I think they would stop all export and import and that would indefiantly crush our economy. The Chinese have been doing things their way for longer than we know, so I say leave them alone. The US needs to start thinking about the US and not everyone else. God bless all the men and women who fight for a cause that none of us fully understand.
"Only the dead have seen the end of War."--Plato
"Only the dead have seen the end of War."--Plato
37g joe
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I agree with you pontus on the Fact that China and russia are Using and manipulating the world scene Right now for thier own Goals. Here is the problem though with Sadam still in power Say if we went to fight Iran the munituions he had he could of quite possibly started launching them from Iraq towards our troops in Iran he would of not cared if he hit Iranian targets because both of us where his enemies. Or while we where occupied with Iran he could of attacked other assets such as israel or kuwait. You have to be statigic in the way we handel this its like chess take out certain peices that would in the overall scheme of things limit your ability to finnish your end Goal. With Iran out of the way and us reconstructing Iran Iraq could of quickly become a large power broker in that region calling on other arab nations to wage war. also The mere Fact that saddam supplied TERRORIST Families with large amounts of money after they became Suicide bombers was in its self enough of a reason to get rid of him.
In Iraq you have several Groups who hate each other and will assist in creating a new goverment and toppiling the old regieme but in iran thier is a much stronger loyalty towards thier leaders and they well put up a much larger fight. They wont need insurgents from other arab nations to come in and assist them they have enough home grown terrorists to cause Havack alot more than you can imagen. But now as we have shown a glimps of democracy in Iraq it well put seads of revolution in surounding nations also Iraqs has a very statigic location that allows us to use it as a staging point. here is a link to a middle east map to give you some reference. map
These Battles were just a matter of time. Will we be triumphet at the end of the DayI hope so.
Just ask yourself one question if you could get into a time machine and go 500 years in the future and you saw a world where we decided not to fight back and not resist and take these enemies out and the result is that we where defeated and crushed and all that remained was these tyranical goverments would you still say we should not fight these aggressors? YES or NO.
In Iraq you have several Groups who hate each other and will assist in creating a new goverment and toppiling the old regieme but in iran thier is a much stronger loyalty towards thier leaders and they well put up a much larger fight. They wont need insurgents from other arab nations to come in and assist them they have enough home grown terrorists to cause Havack alot more than you can imagen. But now as we have shown a glimps of democracy in Iraq it well put seads of revolution in surounding nations also Iraqs has a very statigic location that allows us to use it as a staging point. here is a link to a middle east map to give you some reference. map
These Battles were just a matter of time. Will we be triumphet at the end of the DayI hope so.
Just ask yourself one question if you could get into a time machine and go 500 years in the future and you saw a world where we decided not to fight back and not resist and take these enemies out and the result is that we where defeated and crushed and all that remained was these tyranical goverments would you still say we should not fight these aggressors? YES or NO.
mebanesox7
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Wut would we do if china got involved in this crisis??? i say we leave iraq and go and defend them...but Bush has said to the iraqi leader that he won't abandon them. Cuz if china goes to war that would stop all the imports...and then the US would be screwed??? I feel like our work in iraq is done...i think we need to worry about ourselves...terrorist have already made threats and our borders are wide open...
37g joe
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yes it would be bad if china stoped thier imports to us but the amrican people in the past have shown that we can produce just as well as anyone look at the liberty ships we where able to builed warships in 48 hours we where able to make them faster than they could be destroyed. when push comes to shove we can be awken once again. we also have mexico who would be more than happy to pick up any production that china lets go of.
Japan would be behind us on any conflict that we had with china. Japan has alot more power than people realise. Taiwan is also an asset I dont know how much they could help but they are sick and tierd of China bulling them. china has alot of strength but many flaws. thier control in much of western china is through fource and thier is not as much loyalty to thier countrie we have places like tibet which might not be able to put up much of a military resitance but a social and political resitance. Mongolia is another asset of ours thier is much hatred between these towo people's they have faught each other on many occasions. Genghis Khan in the 1200's conqured parts of northern china and created even a deeper rivlary between these two groups he led an army which was greatly out numbered many times by his enemies but the mongol people were and still are a strong people and if we where smart we would strengthan bonds with them if not for thier statigic location alone.
The fact is thier are alot fo nations in that region that would have far more benifets to help us than not to. if china was allowed to they would take over most if not all of south east asia. Thailan, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar. Ten Years ago i would of said South Korea would help us out but it seems more and more that they would remain neutral but who knows. China is spread out and does not have a large interconected highway system with few redundancy. To destroy the backbone of thier society trasportainon is the key destroy bridges and large shipment lanes with airstrike than attack thier food production. A large share of chinas agriculture is dependent on canals and resevors that supply water to rice fields and other crops. Destroy these and the Dams that support these sytems and you could create much havac. The massive Dam alone that is crossing the Yangtze river which is the largest dam in the world if it was destroyed would cause much destruction and cripple china. In order to defeat china the death toll could be in the millions. Hard decissions would have to be made Decissions that if where secound guessed could be the difference of our survival.
Japan would be behind us on any conflict that we had with china. Japan has alot more power than people realise. Taiwan is also an asset I dont know how much they could help but they are sick and tierd of China bulling them. china has alot of strength but many flaws. thier control in much of western china is through fource and thier is not as much loyalty to thier countrie we have places like tibet which might not be able to put up much of a military resitance but a social and political resitance. Mongolia is another asset of ours thier is much hatred between these towo people's they have faught each other on many occasions. Genghis Khan in the 1200's conqured parts of northern china and created even a deeper rivlary between these two groups he led an army which was greatly out numbered many times by his enemies but the mongol people were and still are a strong people and if we where smart we would strengthan bonds with them if not for thier statigic location alone.
The fact is thier are alot fo nations in that region that would have far more benifets to help us than not to. if china was allowed to they would take over most if not all of south east asia. Thailan, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar. Ten Years ago i would of said South Korea would help us out but it seems more and more that they would remain neutral but who knows. China is spread out and does not have a large interconected highway system with few redundancy. To destroy the backbone of thier society trasportainon is the key destroy bridges and large shipment lanes with airstrike than attack thier food production. A large share of chinas agriculture is dependent on canals and resevors that supply water to rice fields and other crops. Destroy these and the Dams that support these sytems and you could create much havac. The massive Dam alone that is crossing the Yangtze river which is the largest dam in the world if it was destroyed would cause much destruction and cripple china. In order to defeat china the death toll could be in the millions. Hard decissions would have to be made Decissions that if where secound guessed could be the difference of our survival.
mebanesox7
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Most likely the US wouldn't make a decision like that...The US has a lot of power and most the time they don't use it...Everyone is so scared...Even if we were to get in trouble we have the NATO forces...The NATO is unstoppable...If we all went to war i believe we could settle this out...sure there would be risks and there would be losses of lives but what do u think our military signed up for...it isn't like we still have a draft...people sign knowing there are great risks, they could get hurt or even killed...
phixer
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Originally Posted by Mebanesox7
Most likely the US wouldn't make a decision like that...The US has a lot of power and most the time they don't use it...Everyone is so scared...Even if we were to get in trouble we have the NATO forces...The NATO is unstoppable...If we all went to war i believe we could settle this out...sure there would be risks and there would be losses of lives but what do u think our military signed up for...it isn't like we still have a draft...people sign knowing there are great risks, they could get hurt or even killed...
Thats true, but I think most volunteer for the oppritunites and accept the risk as a trade off. After all its better to be shot at and missed then sh*t at and hit.
Most likely the US wouldn't make a decision like that...The US has a lot of power and most the time they don't use it...Everyone is so scared...Even if we were to get in trouble we have the NATO forces...The NATO is unstoppable...If we all went to war i believe we could settle this out...sure there would be risks and there would be losses of lives but what do u think our military signed up for...it isn't like we still have a draft...people sign knowing there are great risks, they could get hurt or even killed...
Thats true, but I think most volunteer for the oppritunites and accept the risk as a trade off. After all its better to be shot at and missed then sh*t at and hit.
37g joe
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Originally Posted by Phixer
Thats true, but I think most volunteer for the oppritunites and accept the risk as a trade off. After all its better to be shot at and missed then sh*t at and hit.
Well thats your opinion I would say the majority of people I know in the miliitary are not in it just for the oppertunities it gives they are thier because of honor and devotion to duty. To protect this countrie to protect you and your family and every other american. but I guess your results can be skewed by the type of people you suround yourself with. Your Comments Dishonor The Men and Women who fight every day for your freedoms.
Thats true, but I think most volunteer for the oppritunites and accept the risk as a trade off. After all its better to be shot at and missed then sh*t at and hit.
Well thats your opinion I would say the majority of people I know in the miliitary are not in it just for the oppertunities it gives they are thier because of honor and devotion to duty. To protect this countrie to protect you and your family and every other american. but I guess your results can be skewed by the type of people you suround yourself with. Your Comments Dishonor The Men and Women who fight every day for your freedoms.
37g joe
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Originally Posted by Dogstar
I think they would feel more dishonored by someone useing them as an excuse to try and stop someone else from useing their freedom of speech to say how they feel.....
In no manner what so ever did I try to inhibit his freedom of speech. And I as an individual who leaves for bootcamp october 10th can speak for my self on why I am joining. Trust me thier are quite alot of people in the services who are insulted by coments like his which undermine and demene thier Strong comitment to this nation.
I think they would feel more dishonored by someone useing them as an excuse to try and stop someone else from useing their freedom of speech to say how they feel.....
In no manner what so ever did I try to inhibit his freedom of speech. And I as an individual who leaves for bootcamp october 10th can speak for my self on why I am joining. Trust me thier are quite alot of people in the services who are insulted by coments like his which undermine and demene thier Strong comitment to this nation.
rs1831
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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
In no manner what so ever did I try to inhibit his freedom of speech. And I as an individual who leaves for bootcamp october 10th can speak for my self on why I am joining. Trust me thier are quite alot of people in the services who are insulted by coments like his which undermine and demene thier Strong comitment to this nation.
good luck in boot-camp and everything else that you do after.
In no manner what so ever did I try to inhibit his freedom of speech. And I as an individual who leaves for bootcamp october 10th can speak for my self on why I am joining. Trust me thier are quite alot of people in the services who are insulted by coments like his which undermine and demene thier Strong comitment to this nation.
good luck in boot-camp and everything else that you do after.
37g joe
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Originally Posted by Dogstar
I agree that a statement thats undermine and demene thier Strong comitment to this nation would be an insult but I dont think Phixers comment came any where close to that. Or was entended to do anything like that.....what was said was true, not for all but for many...
yes his coment is true for some but he said most and thats what my problem with his coment was. Thier are alot of reasons why people Join. But When you talk to most people who are serving or served. They have several reasons and time after time its for this countrie. A sence of duty. If you goto freds place/military.com forums ask around most of them well say why they joined was for the countrie.
I agree that a statement thats undermine and demene thier Strong comitment to this nation would be an insult but I dont think Phixers comment came any where close to that. Or was entended to do anything like that.....what was said was true, not for all but for many...
yes his coment is true for some but he said most and thats what my problem with his coment was. Thier are alot of reasons why people Join. But When you talk to most people who are serving or served. They have several reasons and time after time its for this countrie. A sence of duty. If you goto freds place/military.com forums ask around most of them well say why they joined was for the countrie.