The war on terror?

37g joe

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
IMO, that war was/is the problem. Osama BinLadin wanted to use his al-qaeda forces from Afganistan, that had fought against Russia, supported by the US and Reagan, to defend Saudi Arabia from Iraq, instead they/SA asked America and so here we are...."" imagine al-qaeda against Iraq in a war to defend Saddi Arabia with US training and support "".....Now I dont know if there was any attempt to incorperate them or appease them in any way at the time to ease his anger over this but I can only guess not or not enough...I can not say what would be like today if things would have been done a little different then but maybe Joe can, he may know what it says under all those blacked out lines............. Joe?

Maybe I am hearing this wrong but are you saying you feel that al qaeda would of become our allies if we had offerd some sort of olive branch. All these conflicts with islamic terroism against the U.S goes all the way back to 1801 with the barbary wars in tripoli. The pasha had been extorting money from us with the threat of having pirats attack us if we did not pay his tribute. We paid but then he started getting even more gready and demanded an increase to his ($83,000) which the US government had been paying since 1796. We refused and started a naval blockade of tripoli. The war lasted four years. We lost the frigate Philadelphia the captain and crew where kidnapped and held ransom. the war ended in 1805 we met the $60,000 ransom and the pasha ended his demands of tribute.
Thier is alot more history involved then most people know.
 

akbuuur

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yea i was actaully thinking that same exact thing right now before reading this post. Two things that really sticks out to me is education and general aid to 3rd world countries. If the kids are educated they wont be drawn into these wahabi or extremist groups such as al-qaeda. Seeing hostility and poverty around them they are drawn in as over here we have drugs and gangs.
EDIT i think you read that wrong 37gjoe
idk
 

dogstar

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As I said, " imagine .., I dont know.., I can only guess ". I know theres a lot of history, I pointed out a blimp, and you point out 100 years....an action and a reaction....I pointed out a possible alternative action that did not accure and I cant predict the reaction that may have accured, I can only see the reaction to the action that did accure.....so my piont is, as I asked...." are we solveing tomorow's problems " are our actions today going to change possble reactions tomorow, is casting stones back and forth for 100 years solveing anything ? will casting them for another 100 years solve anything...will anything/anyone ever finaly produce the " final stone to end all stones " ??? will it/should it/can it be a stone ?? I can only imagine....
 

coachklm

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
will anything/anyone ever finaly produce the " final stone to end all stones " ??? will it/should it/can it be a stone ?? I can only imagine....
yes there is........ we call it the atom bomb

the olive branch was tried in the first gulf war :thinking:
 

dogstar

Active Member
Originally Posted by coachKLM
yes there is........ we call it the atom bomb

:thinking:
Who's ?? a lot of countries have them........I agree that a nuclear war would sure end alot of things........maybe even tomorow itself
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by coachKLM
yes there is........ we call it the atom bomb

the olive branch was tried in the first gulf war :thinking:
I hope it never comes to that. Even if the enemy deserves it the implications of using the bomb would desrtoy us as a nation. Unless somthing so bad so horible happend befor and was the precurser. Such as if they used one on us first. the thing is they know if they ever do aquire a nuke and use one on us that a Larg part of the population well say it was our own goverment. its a win win situation for the terrorist. The conspirocy therorist have created an enviroment where doubt reigns and people dont see the enemy as an enemy and see any action done by the enemy as a possible lie by our own goverment. it is a sad world we live in today where are hands are tied by misguided public opinion.
 

coachklm

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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
. Such as if they used one on us first. .
why should we give them the oppertunity to?
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by coachKLM
why should we give them the oppertunity to?
It is not for thier sake but for are own. They are not are only enemies who wish for are destruction. Some mesures only lead to more reprisal if you act to soon even if the mesure is justified. In saying that justice should still be served unto those who harm or intend to harm this nation but done is such away that the least amount of backlash occurs which is still more than most americans can handle.
 

dogstar

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Originally Posted by coachKLM
why should we give them the oppertunity to?
Dont you think, just the fact that they have them gives them the oppertunity ? Cant they use the same excuse, we have them and they did not want to give us an oppertunity to use them first....
scary thoughts when you start thinking about what really can happen when you really start thinking..... :thinking: :scared:
 

dogstar

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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
It is not for thier sake but for are own. They are not are only enemies who wish for are destruction. Some mesures only lead to more reprisal if you act to soon even if the mesure is justified. In saying that justice should still be served unto those who harm or intend to harm this nation but done is such away that the least amount of backlash occurs which is still more than most americans can handle.
aaahh, yes...thats what Im talking about....a reaction to an action....very good point Joe..
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
aaahh, yes...thats what Im talking about....a reaction to an action....very good point Joe..
If we where fighting a conventional enemy where they have borders and capitals the bomb might work but since these are organizations we fight if we nuke one place theier members well just establish them selves somewhere else. their members as we know are global in london,

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, berlin, parts of south america and many more places. we cant nuke those places.
 

dogstar

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" might work " I wonder what that would look like anyway......
OK so we might agree that " the atom bomb " as coach calls it, is not the best stone to end all stones...so back to solveing tomorows problems today.....can it be done ?.....just keep throwing little stones if its not a good idea to throw the big ones, stay the course ????? I dont think its going to work.....but I have no way to know.....any other ideas about " The war on terror " as the title of the thread suggest....
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
" might work " I wonder what that would look like anyway......
OK so we might agree that " the atom bomb " as coach calls it, is not the best stone to end all stones...so back to solveing tomorows problems today.....can it be done ?.....just keep throwing little stones if its not a good idea to throw the big ones, stay the course ????? I dont think its going to work.....but I have no way to know.....any other ideas about " The war on terror " as the title of the thread suggest....

How do you eat a whale? one bite at a time. It can be done but not overnight. It well take years/decades if not more. Can it be done with out a phisical conflict sadly I believe not. As I have said befor war is liking going to the dentist, you dont want to go, it can be painful, but you know it needs to be done.
 

akbuuur

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the only way to over come the recruiting capabilities of al-qaeda and such is to educate the kids
they get drawn into these "islamic school" which in actuality are fanatical extremist schools of thought
 

dogstar

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"" It well take years/decades if not more. ""
...untill when, no one in the world hates the US any more....is that the goal here....I quess thats a possibility that that can be acomplished....killing everyone that hates us sure will stop them from hateing us....I get it now.....
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
How do you eat a whale? one bite at a time. It can be done but not overnight. It well take years/decades if not more. Can it be done with out a phisical conflict sadly I believe not. As I have said befor war is liking going to the dentist, you dont want to go, it can be painful, but you know it needs to be done.
Ironic...that's the same analogy I used the other day. This type of enemy must be hunted down where they sleep because they are woven into the fabric of society. They know that they could never win a conventional confrontation so they continue to utilize gorrella tactics the same way the VC did during Viet Nam.
IMO we must remain vigilant and continue to actively pursue them wherever they flee to, so that they are constantly looking over their shoulders the same way we are. Over time this will take its toll on our society the same way it has Israel. Unfortunately it must be done without rest and this mentality adopted into our culture. This enemy is an unconventional enemy and must be fought using a combination of both cultural education and relentless pursuit.
 

dogstar

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Originally Posted by Phixer
cultural education
is that a military term ??
watch out phixer, thats starting to sound like akbuuur or me...cant have that...
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
is that a military term ??
watch out phixer, thats starting to sound like akbuuur or me...cant have that...

:hilarious
 

akbuuur

Member
on a side note of all this
i was watchign this thing and there was a guy who was saying these "extremists" are not the result of too much religion but infact a lack of it...
now think about that....
 
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