This about sums it up (pun intended)

[reefraff]

From Dave Ramsey.


If the US Government was a family, they would be making $58,000 a year, they spend $75,000 a year, and are $327,000 in credit card debt. They are currently proposing BIG spending cuts to reduce their spending to $72,000 a year. These are the actual proportions of the federal budget and debt, reduced to a level that we can understand

 

[stdreb27]

That is inaccurate, he fails to account for the baseline budgeting... There were no actual cuts...

 

[teenspirit]

Does this family also spend an obscene amount on guns as well as have feuds with 3 other families across town? This family also provides 25% of the city council budget? This family also employs many gardeners, maids, and the like? I understand how simplifying things can be useful, but remember why it's called "simplifying".

 

[darthtang aw]

Does this family also spend an obscene amount on guns as well as have feuds with 3 other families across town? This family also provides 25% of the city council budget? This family also employs many gardeners, maids, and the like? I understand how simplifying things can be useful, but remember why it's called "simplifying".
Yes this family does, as their is no local pd to protect them.
Why shouldn't our military have the best equipment? Why should we cut the military budget and not ensure or men and women in the armed forces have the very best?

 

[mantisman51]

Friggin a, yeah!!! Big, mean guns! Enough guns to level the ***** city! I love that analogy! Burn that **** down!
Please do not use characters to bypass word filters MTX.
Actually it was satire, to point out the ridiculousness of the previous post, but point taken.

 

[teenspirit]

So does that mean that we should become the pd ourselves? Don't get me wrong, I think our family should have great guns too. But your error is assuming that we need to spend so much to get it. I mean, we could cut our defense spending in half and we'd still be spending about 5 times more than any other family in the whole town.

 

[reefraff]

The problem is the family is in hock up to their armpits and continue to spend money where they shouldn't. With this kind of bottom line why are they still sending money to the families down the street? Why do they allow the squaters who broke into the basement not to just stay there but to use their utilities and eat their food? The family should also make those lazy teenagers who lay on the couch all day either go out and get a job or at least make them do a couple of the household chores which are hired out currently. It ain't much but it will save a little money

 

[stdreb27]

What is the deal with these trolls? And hell yeah, the police take reports, after the robber is gone, then shred it. I don't call 911.

 

[teenspirit]

I believe you misunderstand what a troll is. Just so you all know, I am all for cutting spending, but there has to be revenue increase as well. This metaphor can only go so far, so I'm going to stop using it here.
Anyway, I think we should making spending cuts, but when we do so, why should we not cut our military budget which is at world conquest proportions? Why should we not cut this and why should we not tax the wealthy? I understand that some are job creators, but come on that is just putting down the working class, " Don't tax us or we'll stop employing you."
I am by no means extremely well educated on this, so please explain where I am wrong.

 

[teenspirit]

I also agree about cutting off foreign payments. Let's start with Israel, and we'll work our way down the list.

 

[mantisman51]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeenSpirit http:///forum/thread/387154/this-about-sums-it-up-pun-intended#post_3404549
I also agree about cutting off foreign payments. Let's start with Israel, and we'll work our way down the list.
So cut off our best ally first and get to the enemies later? You really haven't educated yourself on this have you?

 

[darthtang aw]

You want to increase revenue. Not taxes. This is the disconnect.
Tax increases only hurt the economy.
Everyone for tax increases always looks at the revenue brought into the fed. What the don't look at is the effect on the economy. You raise taxes..there is less money to invest...either in job expansions for businesses or stock investments for individuals. Does this hurt the rich? No. It hurts the middle class as our 501k will be affected...our stock portfolios are affected. A wp percent loss in the market is peanuts for the rich.....but significant on us middle class.
You want to increase revenue? Stop giving tax refunds back in amounts larger than paid in. 25% of the population receives a refund larger than total taxes paid in.......there is a huge revenue loss.
When bush lowered taxes, the next 6 years the government took in record federal revenue........the problem we continued to increase spending more and more.
Cut the military? What exactly would you cut? We cut the f22. So instead of giving our men and women the best equipment, they are using the 10 year old model. Our military is what stabalizes the global market for the most part. Like it or not, we are in a global economy. What happens overseas affects us, our retirement, our food source, our transportation..and so on. So until that changes....our military is the silent hidden backbone of our econ omy.

 

[teenspirit]

Best ally? I think I'd put Austrailia, U.K, Canada, and maybe even Japan and south Korea first. Remember, they need us much more than we need them. Anyway, where exactly would you stop funding. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I legitimately want to know what you think.
DarthTang, then why don't we do just that? it seems like a good idea.
As for the military, for the most part we are already decades ahead of any forseeable enemies (those without nuclear weapons essentially). We have a defense budget somewhere in the high 600billion according to The Economist. The second highest on that same list is France at 67billion. You're telling me we can't find something to cut?

 

[reefraff]

I know where to cut the military. We'll start by selling the ship that responds to all the disasters around the world and fire all the doctors and nurses on the crew. We'll follow that up by eliminating all the other non military duties the services are asked to supply.
Foreign aid. Eliminate all foreign aid to countries that vote against us more than 50% of the time in the UN and decrease the value of aid to those voting with us more than 50% of the time by the percentage of their opposing votes.
If you raise taxes on the rich cut actual welfare, section 8, food stamp, utility assistance etc. by the exact same percentage and none of this cutting the percentage of growth crap, what ever they get now is reduced. Isn't this all about shared sacrifice? If we are taking from those who produce isn't it appropriate to ask the takers to do with a little less too?

 

[darthtang aw]

Best ally? I think I'd put Austrailia, U.K, Canada, and maybe even Japan and south Korea first. Remember, they need us much more than we need them. Anyway, where exactly would you stop funding. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I legitimately want to know what you think.
DarthTang, then why don't we do just that? it seems like a good idea.
As for the military, for the most part we are already decades ahead of any forseeable enemies (those without nuclear weapons essentially). We have a defense budget somewhere in the high 600billion according to The Economist. The second highest on that same list is France at 67billion. You're telling me we can't find something to cut?
If what I recommended happenned...the president and those that voted for that would not be reelected. Plain and simple.
Defund isreal? An interesting concept. We remove our support for a nation that hasnuclear weapons. A nation surrounded by enemies that want to see its complete annihilation. Can you see the consequences yet to such an action?
You want to cut some military spending...give examples of those cuts.
Instead, cut college scholarships. You want a free education...then do something for this country in return...similar to the gi bill. Cut unemployment...you want to collect unemployment, pass a drug screening (like most employers have you do) and put some hours of community service.
Cut some money from the depatment of education...can anyone tell me what they do to warrant that much funding? For gods sake they have their own S.W.A.T. unit.....why?
Cut the number of cabinet members.....do we need all these czar positions? Does a president need 36 speech writers?
You want govt healthcare? Stop smoking, drinking, and eating a poor diet. Why should my taxes go to sustain the life of someone that doesn't truly care about their health. I smoke...I cover my own healthcare and don't expect anyone to cover my own costs.
Congressional members do not need private aircraft. Charter a plane on your own dime if you want to fly back and forth.
Stop spending 500 billion in aids education to africa......word of mouth should be sufficient by now.
No more nation building.......we have helped rebuild many nations after war......if we do this, we should see a reimbursement, either in resources, money, or slave labor.....

 

[mantisman51]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeenSpirit http:///forum/thread/387154/this-about-sums-it-up-pun-intended#post_3404568
Best ally? I think I'd put Austrailia, U.K, Canada, and maybe even Japan and south Korea first. Remember, they need us much more than we need them. Anyway, where exactly would you stop funding. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I legitimately want to know what you think.
DarthTang, then why don't we do just that? it seems like a good idea.
As for the military, for the most part we are already decades ahead of any forseeable enemies (those without nuclear weapons essentially). We have a defense budget somewhere in the high 600billion according to The Economist. The second highest on that same list is France at 67billion. You're telling me we can't find something to cut?
They have voted with us at the UN more than any other nation. They buy more of our military hardware and we have a common vision for the free world. Cut 1: No immigrant, legal or illegal, can get $.01 of any government assistance for at least 10 years after arrival. Cut 2: Close the Education Department-not even liberals have a good explanation of what they actually accomplish. Cut 3: End all foreign aid for every country that votes in the UN against us more than 10%. Cut 4: Every Federal program, without exception(yes the military also), gets a 10% baseline, non-inflation adjusted cut and is limited from there on to a 3% yearly increase. Cut 5: End all agricultural subsidies. Cut 6: Sell all government owned open land not designated wilderness/protected. Cut 7: End the ATF-let states regulate alcohol and FBI regulate guns and explosives. Cut 8: End Federal DOT oversight and spending for highways and let the states do it-the Interstates are done there's no point in redundant agencies. I would also like to see the Federal Reserve Bank ended or changed to end "controlled inflation". It hasn't worked and probably never will.