spoonbig21
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I have a toadstool frag but it's not connected to anything and everything I put it on to attach itself to it just falls of, I've seen people use superglue but is this good practice? any suggestions on how to do this?
toadstool frag, help
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oceana
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yup but it is very complicated so take your time. It works very well but unless you are willing to follow the below very in depth and technical advice please don’t attempt. Ok here are the directions read very carefully!!
1. Take super glue GEL
2. Glob it on the rock and toadstool base
3 put them together
4 hold it for a few seconds and then put it in your tank
lol , yes it really is that easy :hilarious
with that said i alwasy place my toadstool frags by wedging the base into between a crack in the rocks. works great and it will be attached within a few weeks
1. Take super glue GEL
2. Glob it on the rock and toadstool base
3 put them together
4 hold it for a few seconds and then put it in your tank
lol , yes it really is that easy :hilarious
with that said i alwasy place my toadstool frags by wedging the base into between a crack in the rocks. works great and it will be attached within a few weeks
spoonbig21
Member
lol, funny, funny. well cool I'm glad it's simple
:happy:
speg
Active Member
How do you guys frag the toadstool? I've heard you can cut a perfect circle around the top of the toadstool about a half-inch all the way around it... (so a circle cut out of the circular top). Then cut that circle into one inch pieces and stick on a rock and each will form into a new toadstool? I've also heard to cut the base/stalk simliar to how you frag xenia and a new one will pop up.
schadiest1
Active Member
can u just take a small pc. of the top of the toadstool? should the cutting be in or out of water. I know some corals give off chemicals when they are cut.
oceana
Active Member
i cut mine in the water but not in the tank if that makes any sense.
if making a small cut like say to a ricordia then i cut right in the main tank but things like xenia and leathers i remove and then cut in a bowl of tank water.
as for using a small piece yes you can do this but you end up with a fully looking mother leather with a chunk missing.
as for growing rates thats up to your lighting and your tank water quality. in my tank a 1 inch frag will be about 3 inches in about 3 months. many people misstake growth for a fully opened coral. they get the corals or cut it and its all shriveled up . then when it opens up fully they think it grew. i have shrooms that can shrink up to the size of a dime but then open up to 3 or 4 inches.
my large uncut toadstool started about 4-5 inches and now is over 8-9 inches in about 4 months. Everytime you cut them you will retard its growth for awhile while it heals. its also common for it not to open up fully for a day or two.
if making a small cut like say to a ricordia then i cut right in the main tank but things like xenia and leathers i remove and then cut in a bowl of tank water.
as for using a small piece yes you can do this but you end up with a fully looking mother leather with a chunk missing.
as for growing rates thats up to your lighting and your tank water quality. in my tank a 1 inch frag will be about 3 inches in about 3 months. many people misstake growth for a fully opened coral. they get the corals or cut it and its all shriveled up . then when it opens up fully they think it grew. i have shrooms that can shrink up to the size of a dime but then open up to 3 or 4 inches.
my large uncut toadstool started about 4-5 inches and now is over 8-9 inches in about 4 months. Everytime you cut them you will retard its growth for awhile while it heals. its also common for it not to open up fully for a day or two.
oceana
Active Member
Originally Posted by Schadiest1
can u just take a small pc. of the top of the toadstool? should the cutting be in or out of water. I know some corals give off chemicals when they are cut.
if your are going to take a small pieces i think the best spot to take from is the foot. find a part of the foot that is kinda sticking off from the main stalk. then slice it right down to the rock. they will pull apart and heal. in time the smaller piece will grow polyps of its owns and a new toadstool is burn.
i find them to be very hardy and tolerant of cuttings. i have litteraly RIPPED then off a rock and left flesh behind and in a month i had a two new toadstools.
as a side note after a large cutting dont freak out of your toadstool slumps over and looks dead. it a day or two it will perk back up and be fine.
n ext cutting i make i will take picks for you if you would like. i just made a few the other day so it will be several weeks
can u just take a small pc. of the top of the toadstool? should the cutting be in or out of water. I know some corals give off chemicals when they are cut.
if your are going to take a small pieces i think the best spot to take from is the foot. find a part of the foot that is kinda sticking off from the main stalk. then slice it right down to the rock. they will pull apart and heal. in time the smaller piece will grow polyps of its owns and a new toadstool is burn.
i find them to be very hardy and tolerant of cuttings. i have litteraly RIPPED then off a rock and left flesh behind and in a month i had a two new toadstools.
as a side note after a large cutting dont freak out of your toadstool slumps over and looks dead. it a day or two it will perk back up and be fine.
n ext cutting i make i will take picks for you if you would like. i just made a few the other day so it will be several weeks
schadiest1
Active Member
if you could take pics during the whole process that would be very helpful to all of us new fraggers. what other corals have you fragged?
oceana
Active Member
Just about all the major softies. all of these i have done several times over.
if you look at my tank you will see TONS of srooms and leathers. i have only purchased about a quarter of them. all the rest grew from frags
Kenya trees.
Ricordia Florida
Ricordia Yuma
Countless shrooms
GSP
Zoos
Colt
Toadstools
Xenia
I find that all of the above corals are very easy to frag and handle it very well.
I find that the reason most people don’t frag there corals it out of fear, but trust me once you do it you will go crazy with a razor in your tank. Start with a shroom rock they are cheap and most people have tons of them so you wont have to worry about losing one if it does not work. I have one ricordia Yuma that stated as one and is now four. The first time a fraged was by mistake. I moved a rock and when I did it ripped right in half because I did not notice it was attached to two rocks. Well in a few weeks both halves where fine and healing and now they look great and have tripled in size. After that day I saw how resilient these corals could be and I have been cutting ever since
I have also done a few candy canes and branching frogspawn.
I did a fox coral once but that did not work out very well.
if you look at my tank you will see TONS of srooms and leathers. i have only purchased about a quarter of them. all the rest grew from frags
Kenya trees.
Ricordia Florida
Ricordia Yuma
Countless shrooms
GSP
Zoos
Colt
Toadstools
Xenia
I find that all of the above corals are very easy to frag and handle it very well.
I find that the reason most people don’t frag there corals it out of fear, but trust me once you do it you will go crazy with a razor in your tank. Start with a shroom rock they are cheap and most people have tons of them so you wont have to worry about losing one if it does not work. I have one ricordia Yuma that stated as one and is now four. The first time a fraged was by mistake. I moved a rock and when I did it ripped right in half because I did not notice it was attached to two rocks. Well in a few weeks both halves where fine and healing and now they look great and have tripled in size. After that day I saw how resilient these corals could be and I have been cutting ever since
I have also done a few candy canes and branching frogspawn.
I did a fox coral once but that did not work out very well.
schadiest1
Active Member
so in theory you could cut the ricordea into quarters and that would alright? I can't wait to get back to the states and start fragging. I'm in Italy right now on deployment (US Navy)
slowest is fastest
Member
Just my expierence with them...
Super glue (gel) alone can/will work for attachment but remember most softies expand as they open. It is during the expansion that the frags will come try to come loose. Some type of mechinal fastener (I prefer bridal netting) will help keep it in place until it attaches to the rock on its own.
For the blow by blow here is a yellow leather that I fragged last year.
FWIW
SiF
Super glue (gel) alone can/will work for attachment but remember most softies expand as they open. It is during the expansion that the frags will come try to come loose. Some type of mechinal fastener (I prefer bridal netting) will help keep it in place until it attaches to the rock on its own.
For the blow by blow here is a yellow leather that I fragged last year.
FWIW
SiF
schadiest1
Active Member
that is an awesome link, thanks
Originally Posted by Speg
Dear Slowest To Fastest:
Those pictures with the short description on each was SO helpful
I believe this site should have a 'resource' page with excellent information such as that on it.. I greatly appreciate you showing this to us Thanks again and again.
Agree on both comments. That is why we are working on the Archieves. To store good threads with valuable info. Slow/Fast, if you are inclined, we could use an info post on fragging, if you feel like putting one together with your pics.
As for supergluing softies. Not the best idea. It really doesn't work, and it does irritate the coral enough to caused excessive slimming. The slime, in turn, prevents the gluing. Your best best is to attempt to tie the coral down to a piece of LR until it attaches.
Dear Slowest To Fastest:
Those pictures with the short description on each was SO helpful
I believe this site should have a 'resource' page with excellent information such as that on it.. I greatly appreciate you showing this to us Thanks again and again.Agree on both comments. That is why we are working on the Archieves. To store good threads with valuable info. Slow/Fast, if you are inclined, we could use an info post on fragging, if you feel like putting one together with your pics.
As for supergluing softies. Not the best idea. It really doesn't work, and it does irritate the coral enough to caused excessive slimming. The slime, in turn, prevents the gluing. Your best best is to attempt to tie the coral down to a piece of LR until it attaches.
speg
Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
As for supergluing softies. Not the best idea. It really doesn't work, and it does irritate the coral enough to caused excessive slimming. The slime, in turn, prevents the gluing. Your best best is to attempt to tie the coral down to a piece of LR until it attaches.
So true. When I fragged my toadstool a couple days ago I tried to superglue each to a piece of rubble.. the next day when I got home each piece was flapping in the current.. so I tried netting that I had laying around and it >seems< to be working awesomely.. of course the true test will be when I take the net off I shall let you know if they attached.
As for supergluing softies. Not the best idea. It really doesn't work, and it does irritate the coral enough to caused excessive slimming. The slime, in turn, prevents the gluing. Your best best is to attempt to tie the coral down to a piece of LR until it attaches.
So true. When I fragged my toadstool a couple days ago I tried to superglue each to a piece of rubble.. the next day when I got home each piece was flapping in the current.. so I tried netting that I had laying around and it >seems< to be working awesomely.. of course the true test will be when I take the net off
I shall let you know if they attached.