Too Much Gray Area!!!

ruaround

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with that being said Scuba... remedy the problem by adding another official or two...or we have the freaking technology USE IT!!! how many cameras are used in the Superbowl? over 20 I think in 01 there was over 30 used (I remember that cuz it was at Raymond James Stadium) ... Why is this? So that in the event of a challenged play there is more than the 3 to 4 angles in a typical game... All od the additional cameras in the Superbowl are controled by remote... In a normal game, and playoff games there is at most 10...and most of those are sideline cameras used for NFL films...
 

ruaround

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Here it Scuba... HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!! the first line states it all!!! exactly what I have been arguing!!!
http://www.superbowl.com/news/story/9168866
NFL says Polamalu call was official's judgment
NFL.com wire reports
NEW YORK (Jan. 16, 2006) -- Referee Pete Morelli's decision to overturn an apparent interception by Pittsburgh's Troy Polamalu late in the Steelers game in Indianapolis was a judgment call, the NFL said.
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It came with 5:26 left in Pittsburgh's 21-18 win over the Colts.
Polamalu made a diving catch. When he got up to run, he fumbled the ball, then recovered. Colts coach Tony Dungy challenged and Morelli ruled Polamalu had not completed the catch, so it was an incomplete pass.
About a dozen TV and scoreboard replays indicated otherwise.
The Colts kept the ball and went on to score, cutting Pittsburgh's lead to three points in a game that ended with a missed field goal by Indy's Mike Vanderjagt that could have sent it to overtime.
"The issue was whether he had possession. The ball came loose when he was getting up. Pete Morelli determined it wasn't a catch," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. "That was his judgment."
Aiello added that the league's officiating department had not yet officially reviewed the call to determine if Morelli had made the right decision.
The NFL almost never makes public the result of its reviews, although it did three years ago, when supervisor of officials Mike Pereira said officials should have called pass interference against San Francisco on the final play of a wild-card game with the New York Giants. The correct call would have given New York a second chance to kick a game-winning field goal in a 39-38 loss.
Aiello had no comment on a remark by Pittsburgh's Joey Porter, who said of the Polamalu ruling:
"I know they wanted Indy to win this game; the whole world loves Peyton Manning. But come on, man, don't take the game away from us like that."
In the past, players who have made comments like that have been subject to fines.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by ruaround
with that being said Scuba... remedy the problem by adding another official or two...or we have the freaking technology USE IT!!! how many cameras are used in the Superbowl? over 20 I think in 01 there was over 30 used (I remember that cuz it was at Raymond James Stadium) ... Why is this? So that in the event of a challenged play there is more than the 3 to 4 angles in a typical game... All od the additional cameras in the Superbowl are controled by remote... In a normal game, and playoff games there is at most 10...and most of those are sideline cameras used for NFL films...
I beleive more officials will simply get in the way. I actually believe the addtional cameras is more of an issue related to TV coverage as opposed to some increased officiating tool. I do not recall reading the justification or reason for the additional camera coverage......so it is just a hunch on my part.
 

scubadoo

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Aiello added that the league's officiating department had not yet officially reviewed the call to determine if Morelli had made the right decision.
 

scubadoo

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League has yet to determine if call was correct or incorrect based on the judgement of the official...please see the cut and paste above post.
 

ruaround

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you are prolly right about the additional cameras at the Superbowl, but they are at the officials disposal if they have to make a call...
once again judgement/interpretaion get in the way, this is one of the ONLY areas in professional sports that is left up to an official to interprate nad make a judgement call...

as far a extra officials, they could be off of the feild... the Sidelines, in a press box..and while they are in the press box they could have a TIVO machine right there next to em...
 

scubadoo

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Official Explanation
Every Wednesday evening, NFL senior director of officiating Mike Pereira appears on the NFL Network's "Total Access" show to review and explain some of the controversial calls from the previous week's contests. The candor of Pereira, who has been accessible and open during his tenure, and the various camera shots that permit him to explain why a play was called the way it was (often to the chagrin of zebra-bashers), makes the segment one of the best the NFL Network airs.
Here's betting, though, that Pereira has an even bigger than normal audience this week. Because unless you spent the weekend in a cave, you know that the officiating in the divisional round was a bit uneven, to be kind. From the dubious 39-yard pass interference call against Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel, to the would-be interception by Pittsburgh strong safety Troy Polamalu that was reversed after being challenged by the Colts, to the touchdown call (that was eventually reversed) on a run where Bears tailback Thomas Jones fumbled at least a yard shy of the end zone, there certainly were some head-scratchers.
To steal a phrase from the old "I Love Lucy" sitcom, Pereira has some 'splainin' to do. And so will Pittsburgh linebacker Joey Porter, who charged that the officials tried to "steal" the game, and who probably will be fined for his remarks. Porter was correct, though, in questioning some calls. Then again, the league's game officials are so much better than most of us care to admit, Pereira just might change all of our minds about the most scrutinized calls of the weekend.
 

ruaround

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Hey Scuba... the NFL has made a statement... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=2294309
Updated: Jan. 16, 2006, 5:24 PM ET
NFL: Polamalu overturned interception the wrong callAssociated Press
The NFL said the referee made a mistake: Troy Polamalu caught the ball.
The league acknowledged Monday that referee Pete Morelli erred when he overturned on replay Polamalu's interception of a Peyton Manning pass Sunday in the playoff game between Pittsburgh and Indianapolis.
Mike Pereira, the league's vice president of officiating, said in a statement that Morelli should have upheld the call, made with 5:26 left in Pittsburgh's win over the Colts.
"He maintained possession long enough to establish a catch," Pereira said. "Therefore, the replay review should have upheld the call on the field that it was a catch and fumble."
After the reversal, the Colts went on to score a touchdown and a 2-point conversion, cutting the Steelers' 21-10 lead to 21-18. That led to a wild final few minutes and Pittsburgh clinched its win only when the Colts' Mike Vanderjagt missed a 46-yard field-goal attempt.
On the play, Polamalu made a diving catch of Manning's pass, tumbled with it in his hands and got up to run. When he did, he fumbled the ball, then recovered. Colts coach Tony Dungy challenged and Morelli ruled Polamalu had not completed the catch.
Shortly after the game, Morelli said: "I had the defender catching the ball. Before he got up, he hit it with his leg with his other leg still on the ground. Therefore, he did not complete the catch. And then he lost the ball. It came out, and so we made the play an incomplete pass."
Had the call stood, the Steelers would have had the ball at their own 48 with an 11-point lead.
"The definition of a catch -- or in this case an interception -- states that in the process of making a catch a player must maintain possession of the ball after he contacts the ground," Pereira said.
"The rule regarding the performing of an act common to the game applies when there is contact with a defensive player and the ball comes loose, which did not happen here."
The NFL almost never makes public the result of its reviews, although it did three years ago, when Pereira said officials should have called pass interference against San Francisco on the final play of a wild-card game with the New York Giants. The correct call would have given New York a second chance to kick a game-winning field goal in a 39-38 loss.
After the game, Pittsburgh linebacker Joey Porter said of the ruling:
"I know they wanted Indy to win this game; the whole world loves Peyton Manning. But come on, man, don't take the game away from us like that."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello had no comment on Porter's statement.
In the past, players who have made such statements have been subject to fines.
Polamalu's overturned interception wasn't the only unusual call. Earlier in the game, when the Steelers were preparing to go for a fourth-and-inches from the Pittsburgh 48, two Colts defensive lineman ran across the line of scrimmage, pointing at the Steelers as if one of the linemen moved.
The officials stopped the game, but called no penalty.
Replays appeared to show Alan Faneca barely flinched. But Steelers coach Bill Cowher argued the Colts made contact with the linemen, which would have forced an offside call and a first down. Instead, Ben Roethlisberger ran a quarterback sneak for a first down, which allowed Pittsburgh to use another 5:02 before punting.
 

ruaround

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The gray area of each Ref or Official being able to interprate exactly what is a "football move" needs to be defined...
"Football Move" is defined as but not limited to: possesion of the ball followed by a juke, stretching/reaching for a 1st down, stretching/reaching for a touchdown, being assisted out of bounds before touching the feild of play with two feet or the equivalency there of, being tackled... and Im sure I am missing alot, but these are just off the top of my head...
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by ruaround
The gray area of each Ref or Official being able to interprate exactly what is a "football move" needs to be defined...
"Football Move" is defined as but not limited to: possesion of the ball followed by a juke, stretching/reaching for a 1st down, stretching/reaching for a touchdown, being assisted out of bounds before touching the feild of play with two feet or the equivalency there of, being tackled... and Im sure I am missing alot, but these are just off the top of my head...

U da man..nfl has aplogized..I'm 100% wrong.
 

ruaround

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo

U da man..nfl has aplogized..I'm 100% wrong.
IMO...its not about being wrong or right... its about the NFL having "Too Much Gray Area!!!"
thanks for your .02 and (very) valid points Scuba...much appr...
 

scubadoo

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Source: Mangini to Become New Jets Coach
By ANDREA ADELSON
AP Sports Writer
NEW YORK (AP) -- New England Patriots defensive coordinator Eric Mangini has accepted an offer to become the next New York Jets coach, a person familiar with the situation said Monday night.
The person spoke condition of anonymity because no official announcement has been made by the team.
Mangini, who turns 35 Thursday, becomes the youngest head coach in the NFL. He replaces Herman Edwards, who left for Kansas City after five seasons.
ESPN.com first reported Mangini had accepted the Jets' offer.
 

ruaround

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Dang... 3 coordinatoers in 2 years!!! "Pillage pillage pillage...loot loot loot"
Belichick the Walsh of the 2000's?
 

scubadoo

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IRVING – Cowboys assistant coach Sean Payton said Tuesday he can’t wait to start his new job as New Orleans Saints head coach.
Payton, 42, who accepted the position about 4:30 p.m., said a news conference to formally introduce him as Saints head coach will be held at noon Wednesday at the team’s facility in Metarie, La.
“It’s an exciting time, and I’m looking forward to it,” Payton told The Dallas Morning News as he left the club’s Valley Ranch training complex. “I’ve enjoyed my three years in Dallas, and I’ve learned a lot from working with a coach like Bill Parcells.”
Payton’s new job means the Cowboys will probably be looking for a play caller. They could also be looking for a couple of assistant coaches.
Payton has spoken to the Cowboys about allowing linebackers coach Gary Gibbs and offensive line coach and running game coordinator Tony Sparano to join him in New Orleans as coordinators. Each is under contract with the Cowboys, who do not have to let them leave even if the new jobs represent promotions.
“I don’t know what’s going to happen,” Payton said. “It’s going to take a few days to see what direction we’re going with the coordinators or if anyone will come with me.”
Owner Jerry Jones and coach Bill Parcells could not be reached for comment.
If Parcells wants to maintain the same setup, he could move receivers coach Todd Haley to passing game coordinator. Or he could decide to let Sparano run the entire offense.
Another option is hire an offensive coordinator and let Sparano focus entirely on the offensive line. If he chooses that option, Parcells might select Chris Palmer.
Palmer, the head coach when the Cleveland Browns returned to the NFL in 1999, was also the Houston Texans' offensive coordinator for three seasons. He and Parcells worked together in New England.
Payton replaces Jim Haslett, who was fired after five seasons. The Saints went 3-13 in a tumultuous season that saw them play home games in San Antonio and Baton Rouge, La., after Hurricane Katrina devastated the city.
Payton spent much of the day at Valley Ranch in staff meetings before serious negotiations on his multi-year package with the Saints began at 1 p.m. The negotiations continued for more than three hours before a deal was completed.
Payton spent the next hour saying good-bye to members of the organization.
“Sean is an excellent coach who definitely deserves this opportunity,” quarterback Drew Bledsoe said. “I will miss him, as will our team and organization...I'm sure he will be successful and a great asset to the Saints.”
Payton was an attractive candidate because of his ability to work with quarterbacks. He helped turn around Kerry Collins in New York and in Dallas had three different quarterbacks - Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe - pass for more than 3,000 yards.
The Saints, who have the No. 2 pick in the draft, are expected to release veteran quarterback Aaron Brooks and select Matt Leinart or Vince Young in the April draft.
“I've always been a big believer in Sean and his style and what he was doing,” said tight end Dan Campbell, who also played for Payton in New York. “He's one of the reasons I came down here because I knew what type of guy he was.”
 

scubadoo

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QB coach...offensive.......we'll just have to see. He was interviewing for other head coaching jobs. NOt sure I like the selection. He does get an offense loaded at the skill positions. All Pro RB, WR and two #1 pics on the OL.
Just read the Superdome will be ready by Sept 1 so most likely all home games will be played their with the exception of preseason. I'll probably go back home for the first regular season game back in the Superdome. Can always find good tickets on ----.
 

ruaround

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did you hear about the senior citizen that had a heart atck after Bettis fumbled at the end of the Ind vs. Pitt game??? He had a pacemaker put in, and his doctors have advised him not to watch this weekends game... no stress...
Now thats a fan...
 
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tizzo

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That guy actually called in to the serius sports station and talked to Bettis!! Bettis told him that this upcoming game was gonna be stressful and advised the guy to sit it out but of course he ain't gonna. Talk about pressure on Bettis's part. If he fumbles again, he can kill a man!!
I just can't believe that the quarterback made that tackle!! That has to be the best play I ever saw!!!
 
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