too much live rock break a tank???
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latino277
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mujtba
1- my tank is not over stocked
2- I do a 5% water change every week on fri nights with a beer since my tank cycled (that's a 20% wc a month)
3- the conditioner do help but they do not remove all impurities like cooper.
4- the point of ro/di water is so that you are not adding any foreign chemicals to your system. With the conditioner your using chemicals to remove impurities...... so you adding extra chemicals to your system.
This is just my $.02. it's you system and you should do what you feel is best/comfortable with
1- my tank is not over stocked
2- I do a 5% water change every week on fri nights with a beer since my tank cycled (that's a 20% wc a month)
3- the conditioner do help but they do not remove all impurities like cooper.
4- the point of ro/di water is so that you are not adding any foreign chemicals to your system. With the conditioner your using chemicals to remove impurities...... so you adding extra chemicals to your system.
This is just my $.02. it's you system and you should do what you feel is best/comfortable with
rossim
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Originally posted by mujtba
latino-
thats true. But this is why those 'BIG' companies make those chemicals to remove these different toxics from the tap water to make it safe for fish. Almost all water conditioners say detoxifier, remove metals, chhlorine, etc from tap water. Used for fresh or salt water fishtanks. I just don't understand how their still in business if everyone recommends RO/DI water. And isn't that a bit expensive? Especially with such frequent water changes? how can tap water make your tank get high nitrates? you might have had too many fish or didnt do enough water changes.
In science today, we can clone a pig, go to mars, or build a station on the moon. You are telling me we cannot find chemicals to add into tap water to obliterate the toxic in it?
Water conditioners are good for freshwater tanks. And there is not a 'BIG' company that only makes/relies on water conditioners. They are still in business due to other products and services.
latino277
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I don't buy RO/DI. I bought a RO/DI system and I make my own water. the filter cost me $129. in airwaterice.
I have about 75# of lr (going to add 25+#'s in sept)
90# of LS
I have and external overflow feeding a 29G sump/fuge.
in my sump I am running a turbo floater 1000 to veiw the skimmate that come out of this thing click here:https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/128081/reef-tanks-pros-please-help )
I also have Phosband reactor (~$30) in the sump (this is additional equipment NOT NEED!)
from my sump I had a Mag 5 pump that feeds my fluidized bed( only remaining equipment from my aggressive setup - This is a biofilter - this is additional equipment NOT NEED!)) and then back to my DT
I also have a closed loop system ( this is just for circulation (sp?) that is powered by and external pume (little giant)
to see some resent pic of my DT click here or run a search under my name:
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/128305/14-pics-of-my-125g
you can see some Hair Algea on the back glass. I have been having trouble removing it and I think this is do to the fact that I once use Tap water. I have only been user the Ro/di unit for about 3 month. it has gotten 1000 x better than what it once was.
I have about 75# of lr (going to add 25+#'s in sept)
90# of LS
I have and external overflow feeding a 29G sump/fuge.
in my sump I am running a turbo floater 1000 to veiw the skimmate that come out of this thing click here:https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/128081/reef-tanks-pros-please-help )
I also have Phosband reactor (~$30) in the sump (this is additional equipment NOT NEED!)
from my sump I had a Mag 5 pump that feeds my fluidized bed( only remaining equipment from my aggressive setup - This is a biofilter - this is additional equipment NOT NEED!)) and then back to my DT
I also have a closed loop system ( this is just for circulation (sp?) that is powered by and external pume (little giant)
to see some resent pic of my DT click here or run a search under my name:
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/128305/14-pics-of-my-125g
you can see some Hair Algea on the back glass. I have been having trouble removing it and I think this is do to the fact that I once use Tap water. I have only been user the Ro/di unit for about 3 month. it has gotten 1000 x better than what it once was.
latino277
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on the way home I was thinking about a way to explain what the water conditioners and I came up with this:
you take a 5g bucket of water and toss in a penny.
How are you going to get that penny out of the water?
you physicaly have to take is out right? if you use your hand, a net, what ever it be it has to be physically removed. A Penny is made of copper. copper is bad for inverts... right. if you put a few drops of water conditioner in the bucket... Lets go all out and dump the whole bottle in the bucket... will this remove the penny... no.
what the conditioner do is change the impurities to somthing else for aguments sake lets use copper. it turns the copper is something like copperoxide... well copperoxide is still copper. it didn't remove it. its just changed it to something else. that is what the water conditioners do they change the toxic items into something less toxic. they don't remove anything. with a RO/di unit is is like a sponge and it absorbs everything that is left in the water.
did I lose any body with this???
you take a 5g bucket of water and toss in a penny.
How are you going to get that penny out of the water?
you physicaly have to take is out right? if you use your hand, a net, what ever it be it has to be physically removed. A Penny is made of copper. copper is bad for inverts... right. if you put a few drops of water conditioner in the bucket... Lets go all out and dump the whole bottle in the bucket... will this remove the penny... no.
what the conditioner do is change the impurities to somthing else for aguments sake lets use copper. it turns the copper is something like copperoxide... well copperoxide is still copper. it didn't remove it. its just changed it to something else. that is what the water conditioners do they change the toxic items into something less toxic. they don't remove anything. with a RO/di unit is is like a sponge and it absorbs everything that is left in the water.
did I lose any body with this???
zap800
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well i used to use a water conditioner and tap. i had and still to this day have an algea prob. about a week ago i called the water company and asked about silicates, nitrates, trites, phosphates, and some other stuff. they told me that they do not test for nirates and trites because i live in pa and there are alot of farmers around, so there will be nitrates and trites in the water because of water runoff. then they told me that they intentionaly add phosphates to prevent corosion in the pipes. so in typeing that i would say dont add tap. conditioners to take out copper and oxidize it but it will not remove phosphates.
kablamo
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Originally posted by mujtba
latino,
i understand what ur sayin.. how much do you pay for your RO/DI water? how long have you been doing this? any pics?
Do you have filters? please give details on how you first set it up.. thanks
RO/DI water, (if you just buy the water and mix your own salt) is 33 cents per gallon at wal-mart. Saltwater, mixed by my LFS, is 1 dollar a gallon.
latino277
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as for the beer..... my fish are my drinking budies
the yellow fish with the long noses... I have 3 fish that fit this discription.
2 yellow tangs and a fox face
mujtba- distilled water is ok Better than tap but not as good as RO.
Take a look at the site I asked you eailer. thay have ro units starting a ~$80 and RO/Di starting at ~120
FYI any RO/di unit will work as long as the filters are good. the site I sent you to will explain this
air water ice. look it up.
and like I said. the conditioners realy don't remove anything that just change the chemical makeup to something else
the yellow fish with the long noses... I have 3 fish that fit this discription.
2 yellow tangs and a fox face
mujtba- distilled water is ok Better than tap but not as good as RO.
Take a look at the site I asked you eailer. thay have ro units starting a ~$80 and RO/Di starting at ~120
FYI any RO/di unit will work as long as the filters are good. the site I sent you to will explain this
air water ice. look it up.
and like I said. the conditioners realy don't remove anything that just change the chemical makeup to something else
kablamo
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Wal-mart does have it. The people there are dumb, don't believe them. Look for the Culligan(sp) water dispenser with the big big jugs, you buy the jug the first time, i think like 6 bucks, you get the first fill free, and after that, you just buy refills.
If you read on the machine, it says reverse osmosis and deionized.
"by a wonderful method of filtration called reverse osmosis, it is then deionized blah blah blah"
that kinda stuff. Believe me, they have it.
If you read on the machine, it says reverse osmosis and deionized.
"by a wonderful method of filtration called reverse osmosis, it is then deionized blah blah blah"
that kinda stuff. Believe me, they have it.
squidd
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Originally posted by mujtba
...i understand what ur sayin.. how much do you pay for your RO/DI water? how long have you been doing this? ...
If you take the cost of a a "basic" RO system and divide it by the gallonage you will use to...
1. Fill your tank...
2.Do 20-25% waterchanges per month...
3.Top off a couple gallons a day/week (varies)...
The end result over a year or two is "penny's" a gallon...
My average is like .05 a gallon...and goes down over time, even with "filter" renewal...
Not to mention, not having to run to the store with Jugs...
mujtba
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thanks a lot guys for the help..
latino, i looked into that. i guess im interested in the Compact $139 one. do you think thats a good one?
kablamo, i will go check that out again at walmart. the people are dumb there. they have so many items, they dont know the store well. ill ask for a culligan water despenser..
can i add LS and LR to a new tank? or do i have to cycle it?
latino, i looked into that. i guess im interested in the Compact $139 one. do you think thats a good one?
kablamo, i will go check that out again at walmart. the people are dumb there. they have so many items, they dont know the store well. ill ask for a culligan water despenser..
can i add LS and LR to a new tank? or do i have to cycle it?
latino277
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mujtba - for your cycling question I would open a new thread. you will get more hits that. I don't want your question to get lost in this tread but for a quick answer... Yes you can cycle with LR and LS just order it online it will be cheaper and will have enough die off to start the cycle.
all the unit from that site are top quality. I have the typhoon unit and I think Kip has the typhoon II and we both love it.
all the unit from that site are top quality. I have the typhoon unit and I think Kip has the typhoon II and we both love it.
liquidskys
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TAP WATER IS THE DEVIL
just so ya know..
but no really.. i used to use tap water for my water changes and such.. used the conditoner products to take out the chemicals, clorine and all that stuff..
However, tap water has high leves of phosphates which are the main culprit in red slim algea (so i have found out)
I since have been buying RO water and i must say.. i have noticed a HUGE diffrence in my tanks activity.. everything seemed to come alive more after awhile of using only RO water instead of tap..
just my .02 :yes:
stuckinfla
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Pilot....Your tank in only a week old? You have not even cycled yet, there should be NO fish in there
Have you researched saltwater tanks?? When you start, you have to go through a cycle to build up different types of bacteria. After your cycle, you add the fish. Going through the cycle can kill them.:nope:
Have you researched saltwater tanks?? When you start, you have to go through a cycle to build up different types of bacteria. After your cycle, you add the fish. Going through the cycle can kill them.:nope: