Tukani new Live rock ? fully cured ?

[exodusrs]

does this rock come fully cured it claimes in the ad that it is fully cured and not pre cured ands can be put directly into your tank.. will i be risking an ammonia spike ?
This is some of the most beautiful rock we've seen. Super premium quality. It is lighter and more porous than other rock meaning you will be more surface area for nitrification and more interesting shapes. Because it is lighter a full box is approximately 40 pounds put fills up a standard 50 pound box of ordinary rock.
This rock is cured and ready to become a centerpiece of your aquarium display.
i'm also assuming it's not 1 big piece rather many pieces of different sizes.

 

[reefkprz]

if it gets shipped to you its no longer cured, and needs to be cured as there will be die off.

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by reefkprZ
http:///forum/post/2622033
if it gets shipped to you its no longer cured, and needs to be cured as there will be die off.
Right, it is probably fully cured now, but there will be die off when it is shipped. Cure it in a separate tub if you already have live stock.

 

[allenk]

It is cured right now at the supplier. They take it, put it in their tanks, and cure it over a period of time. This gets rid of the bad critters (hopefully) and takes care of the die off that occurs from the ocean to the seller.
Uncured rock is not stored and cured by the supplier. Instead, it is essentially sent to you the consumer without having first stored it and allowed it to cure in their tanks before being sent.
Its a matter of degree. Cured rock sent to you will have much less die off and possible bad hitchhikers than uncured rock.
But, just as their was die off from the ocean to the supplier, there will be some amount of die off from the supplier to your door. The longer it takes to ship and get into your tank, the more of a cycle will be required.
Bottom line, you can't put the pieces directly into an established tank. You must "recure" it to take care of the die off and then it will be safe to put in your display.

 

[robdog696]

I hate to go against anything ReefkeeperZ and Sepulation say, but I disagree. You need to pay close attention to the instructions of the supplier, though. If it says something like, "though this rock is cured, we recommend that you cure it again," then you can not add it directly to your tank.
There are a few suppliers that I know of who sell rock that CAN be added directly to the tank. Here's how. First, they buy base rock. This rock has NO critters in it.

Second, they "grow" this rock themselves over a 3-6 month period, so you will find beneficial bacteria and coraline on the rock without a lot of green algae, pests, or aptasia. This means less die-off. Third, the rock is shipped in bags of water, the same way fish are shipped. There is not a lot of water in the bags, but enough to keep the rock moist. Finally, they GUARANTEE priority overnight shipping.
Make sure the site you are buying from clearly states that they follow these procedures. Otherwise, you will need to recure it. Sorry if I'm stepping on anyone's toes. I'm a big believer in researching things on my own rather than accepting the general consensus. This is what I found.

 

[dragonzim]

If the rock is shipped to you there will almost definitely be some die off. Even if it is shipped in a bag with some water the rock will not be fully submerged. I would put it in a rubbermaid with a heater and a powerhead and let it sit for a while then do a test on the water. Why take a chance on killing your tank?

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2622727
If the rock is shipped to you there will almost definitely be some die off. Even if it is shipped in a bag with some water the rock will not be fully submerged. I would put it in a rubbermaid with a heater and a powerhead and let it sit for a while then do a test on the water. Why take a chance on killing your tank?
I could not agree more. It takes less than a week to see if there will be a spike. It does not make sense to me to take that risk.
Rob, you are not "stepping on toes" by any means. All input is welcome

 

[exodusrs]

i bought the rock on purpose because for the premium fiji rock it says pre cured and you must recure it again before adding it to the DT , this new tukani rock it says it already cured and does not mention that you need to recure it i got it from this website swf.com read what it says in the product description vs what it says by the fiji rock.

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by ExodusRS
http:///forum/post/2622777
i bought the rock on purpose because for the premium fiji rock it says pre cured and you must recure it again before adding it to the DT , this new tukani rock it says it already cured and does not mention that you need to recure it i got it from this website swf.com read what it says in the product description vs what it says by the fiji rock.
That rock is very beautiful! It is completely up to you. I, personally would still not risk adding it to the display because you just never know. Like I said, you will know within a week if there is die off. I would rather find out in a tub than in my display.

 

[exodusrs]

then why would sw.com write by the fiji rock that it is pre cured and it most be cured again when you get it but by tukani its says fully cured and you dont have to recure it.
that must mean something...theres no chance taking it says by fiji cure it...so you cure it..you go to a lfs and buy cured rock your ask them if its cured (you dont carry an ammonia test kit in your pocket and check their water.. lol ) so when swf.com says its cured i belive them and will put it directly into my tank...if it kills anything or there is die off they misrepresented their product and they should change the description.

 

[groupergenius]

You ask a question, get good advice, then dismiss it.
Why ask?? Seriously.

 

[casper1875]

It says you need to cure it for at least a week. It does look really nice though. When I start my 180 I would like to try some. It's good to learn a lesson now and then, but not if it means you could kill your fish, inverts and coral. Always better to be safe then sorry.

 

[sepulatian]

I didn't even notice that, or maybe they just added it. This is from the bottom of the description:
Once you receive your rock, you must re-cure the rock for at least a week. During shipping some of the beneficial bacteria will die off. Do not add this directly to an existing tank!

 

[exodusrs]

i dismiss it becuase it is not good advice the product was misrepresented i pointed this out to KIM,she thanksed me agreed with me and told me wshe would change the description and add the info on it, about 2 hours ago when they changed it. why do you think they changed it ? because of MY phone call.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by ExodusRS
http:///forum/post/2622893
i dismiss it becuase it is not good advice the product was misrepresented i pointed this out to KIM,she thanksed me agreed with me and told me wshe would change the description and add the info on it, about 2 hours ago when they changed it. why do you think they changed it ? because of MY phone call.
Good job on making the call. But it is very good advice to soak any LR that is shipped for at least 1 week before adding to an existing tank. Is it really worth the risk of killing possibly hunreds of $$$$ of fish???

 

[michaeltx]

8 times in this thread alone it was stated that any rock that is shipped will need to be recured before putting it in your tank. It is a fairly new item that has started being carryed by them and may have been overlooked in adding that. I dont know I havent looked BUT to me if one type of rock says it needs to be recured then I would asume that it would go for all types of lr.
welcome to the board.
Mike

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2622898
Good job on making the call. But it is very good advice to soak any LR that is shipped for at least 1 week before adding to an existing tank. Is it really worth the risk of killing possibly hunreds of $$$$ of fish???

 

[exodusrs]

This is how it was with the fiji rock had the recuring warning and this new rock i thought was being shipped somehow already cured with NO DIE OFF(other sites have this option), i thought they figured out a way to do it. I had a real good reason to belive this since when i looked ad the item descriptions from fiji rock to this new rock the new rock did not have the warning to cure it for at least 1 week, by the way I have cured over 500 lb's of LR before it takes about 2-3 weeks with several water changes and the house smells fouls for that time. I do not ask for advice and then not listen,like i said after speaking to Kim from the company she thanked me for them overlooking this fact and a lot of people might have thought this rock can be directly added to their tanks. within minutes she put the warning. I ask a good questions because even being in the hobby for a while i learn new things everyday. I thought there was some new techonlogy of shipping where it would not have die off...it is not worth the risk so when ordering online and i have many times from many sites and cured the rock myself i know exactly how to cure it and save hitchikers and toss away the ones i do not wish to have.
lastly i do not dismiss any advice i was under the impression that this rock was different from the fiji rock for good reason and there was no need to be extra cautious...my tanks are very valuble but it takes time and my wife does not or can not and will not tolerate the smell she is pregnant so when i understood the item to be fully cured and no risk adding them to the tank i called to make sure that was me being cautious and like most of you said it does indeed have some die off. I'm not a person who asks questions for fun i get many different opinions and do what i think is best i have been doing this for 5 years.

 

[michaeltx]

then why would sw.com write by the fiji rock that it is pre cured and it most be cured again when you get it but by tukani its says fully cured and you dont have to recure it.
that must mean something...theres no chance taking it says by fiji cure it...so you cure it..you go to a lfs and buy cured rock your ask them if its cured (you dont carry an ammonia test kit in your pocket and check their water.. lol ) so when swf.com says its cured i belive them and will put it directly into my tank...if it kills anything or there is die off they misrepresented their product and they should change the description.

This part of your statement is why people think you are dismissing what is being said.It just seems that you are looking for a reason to get mad at a company. no disrespect intended.
There is one company that sells tank ready rock for a massively high price and high shipping cost because it is shipped in water and you cant buy just the rock there is other things you have to buy along with it. you also have to pay for air freight or regular shipping at 5.50 a pound on top of the price of the rock.
ANY rock that is taken out of the water for a period of time is going to have dieoff.
you say that you have 5 years thats a long time not to know that part. Its one of the first things that I learned when dealing with LR and tanks. when you search for LR one of the sites that come up details the what each means
raw- straight out of the ocean into a box to your home
precured- corals and sponges have been removed and it has been sprayed with salt spray for a few days till the organic dieoff has been eleminted.
cured- pre-cured + sat in vats until ammonia and all water parameters are acceptable to put into a tank.
it also says that any rock that is shipped as "Cured" rock isnt tank ready and will need to be recured unless its a very short period of time its out of water. most rock is shipped next day or 2 day shipping method effectivley causeing dieoff of the rock.
Mike

 

[exodusrs]

i'm fully aware of the curing process i thought this was a new innovative way to send LR without die off.(there are companies who do and you can add it do your tank do the research)..obviously it needs to be in water or moist all around and overnighted or whatver..yes 5 years I know how to cure LR, and i was being cautous by calling saltwaterfish.com,to clear up what they wrote they agreed with me and put in the recuring process within minutes. it was a bit deceiving thats all. I dont dismiss any info i take everything in the jokes by some ppl on this forum to a new member and the cold welcoming is a bit disappointing. too bad I heard great things about this forum. MichaelTX if you are a Mod please send me the rules of this forum so I do not have ppl think I am selling anything or making remarks like if i do not show my pictures "I am a liar"
for the last and final time i went fishing in NJ I DID NOT CATCH A COLD and i caught or pulled up some gorgonian type objects and a huge what looked to be a vibrant green acro in thefreezing waters of the atlantic. I certanly do not careif anyone belives me or not. i think were done her also. basically the only person who gave me the answer i waslooking for was KIM from swf.com..i'm fully aware how to cure LR.