oscardeuce
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uneverno
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3107651
In a political science sense, I believe that the best way to bring a conservative platform to the national stage is reformation of the republican party.
Fair enough. Perhaps you and Hannity can hash that one out. It's gonna be an uphill slog. I sincerely wish you good luck. IMO the Republican party is dead in all but name.
And if you don't think the wacky left wing liberal quazi socialists are running the democrat party, then I don't know what to tell you.
Never said they weren't. In fact, calling them "quazi" (sic) socialists is incorrect. They are, in point of fact, Socialists, or if Hillary is to get her way, Progressives. (Marketing is everything.)
You're going to have a really difficult time trying to argue that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Shumer, Biden, Obama, and who ever else you want to call a major power player is not both a liberal and a democrat...
I think you would have a much tougher time arguing that any major player in the Republican party is a Conservative.
That aside, you didn't answer my question. I get the feeling you hold your party to a different standard than that to which you hold the other party.
I personally fail to see the difference between the two parties as anything but rhetorical.
http:///forum/post/3107651
In a political science sense, I believe that the best way to bring a conservative platform to the national stage is reformation of the republican party.
Fair enough. Perhaps you and Hannity can hash that one out. It's gonna be an uphill slog. I sincerely wish you good luck. IMO the Republican party is dead in all but name.
And if you don't think the wacky left wing liberal quazi socialists are running the democrat party, then I don't know what to tell you.
Never said they weren't. In fact, calling them "quazi" (sic) socialists is incorrect. They are, in point of fact, Socialists, or if Hillary is to get her way, Progressives. (Marketing is everything.)
You're going to have a really difficult time trying to argue that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Shumer, Biden, Obama, and who ever else you want to call a major power player is not both a liberal and a democrat...
I think you would have a much tougher time arguing that any major player in the Republican party is a Conservative.
That aside, you didn't answer my question. I get the feeling you hold your party to a different standard than that to which you hold the other party.
I personally fail to see the difference between the two parties as anything but rhetorical.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3108126
Fair enough. Perhaps you and Hannity can hash that one out. It's gonna be an uphill slog. I sincerely wish you good luck. IMO the Republican party is dead in all but name.
Never said they weren't. In fact, calling them "quazi" (sic) socialists is incorrect. They are, in point of fact, Socialists, or if Hillary is to get her way, Progressives. (Marketing is everything.)
I think you would have a much tougher time arguing that any major player in the Republican party is a Conservative.
That aside, you didn't answer my question. I get the feeling you hold your party to a different standard than that to which you hold the other party.
I personally fail to see the difference between the two parties as anything but rhetorical.
two things, I did answer your question. I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink. If you can't read my answer and see what I would consider myself politically.
I don't quite know what to tell you. Because that is about as straight forward I can think I can put my opinion on party.
Second, I'm not going to argue that blue-blood republicans hold the power in today's republican party. I saw republicans do a lot of stupid left leaning things in these last 8 years. But i do believe there is a huge difference between no child left behind (as far as government involvement) and say what the house has as their "insurance reform bill."
Lets face it, we are a long way left from what even the Federalist Jefferson envisioned...
http:///forum/post/3108126
Fair enough. Perhaps you and Hannity can hash that one out. It's gonna be an uphill slog. I sincerely wish you good luck. IMO the Republican party is dead in all but name.
Never said they weren't. In fact, calling them "quazi" (sic) socialists is incorrect. They are, in point of fact, Socialists, or if Hillary is to get her way, Progressives. (Marketing is everything.)
I think you would have a much tougher time arguing that any major player in the Republican party is a Conservative.
That aside, you didn't answer my question. I get the feeling you hold your party to a different standard than that to which you hold the other party.
I personally fail to see the difference between the two parties as anything but rhetorical.
two things, I did answer your question. I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink. If you can't read my answer and see what I would consider myself politically.
Second, I'm not going to argue that blue-blood republicans hold the power in today's republican party. I saw republicans do a lot of stupid left leaning things in these last 8 years. But i do believe there is a huge difference between no child left behind (as far as government involvement) and say what the house has as their "insurance reform bill."
Lets face it, we are a long way left from what even the Federalist Jefferson envisioned...
uneverno
Active Member
Lol - it's not water you're wanting to lead me to. It's Koolaide.
2nd, You called me out to defend a party I'm not even a member of. I was simply reversing the challenge.
And yes, we are a long way "left" if that's what you want to call it. No child left behind, for example. Lotta money spent for no result. That's not Socialism, that's either stupidity or cronyism, and neither party is above the latter.
Nothing in politics is written in stone - not even the Constitution. That's why the authors built in the ammendment process.
Societal constructs are in a constant state of flux. The beauty of the human mind is that it adapts.
2nd, You called me out to defend a party I'm not even a member of. I was simply reversing the challenge.
And yes, we are a long way "left" if that's what you want to call it. No child left behind, for example. Lotta money spent for no result. That's not Socialism, that's either stupidity or cronyism, and neither party is above the latter.
Nothing in politics is written in stone - not even the Constitution. That's why the authors built in the ammendment process.
Societal constructs are in a constant state of flux. The beauty of the human mind is that it adapts.
bionicarm
Active Member
I'll be interested in reading the 'spins' the Repubs will have on Obama's latest attempt to dispel the "health care rumors", the Hannity's, Limbaugh's, and the nuts who are creating havoc at these rally's keep spewing out of their mouths:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108225
I'll be interested in reading the 'spins' the Repubs will have on Obama's latest attempt to dispel the "health care rumors", the Hannity's, Limbaugh's, and the nuts who are creating havoc at these rally's keep spewing out of their mouths:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
What the crap is Obama's plan? It is one one the house released? Or is it one of the handful in the senate. or has he not released it yet, I'm confused.
It is funny, the only people I hear actually read the one bill that has been released are Rush...
Even obama says he doesn't know what is in the bill...
http:///forum/post/3108225
I'll be interested in reading the 'spins' the Repubs will have on Obama's latest attempt to dispel the "health care rumors", the Hannity's, Limbaugh's, and the nuts who are creating havoc at these rally's keep spewing out of their mouths:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
What the crap is Obama's plan? It is one one the house released? Or is it one of the handful in the senate. or has he not released it yet, I'm confused.
It is funny, the only people I hear actually read the one bill that has been released are Rush...
Even obama says he doesn't know what is in the bill...
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3108199
Lol - it's not water you're wanting to lead me to. It's Koolaide.
Probably not the best use of the cliche.
http:///forum/post/3108199
Lol - it's not water you're wanting to lead me to. It's Koolaide.
Probably not the best use of the cliche.
bionicarm
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3108242
What the crap is Obama's plan? It is one one the house released? Or is it one of the handful in the senate. or has he not released it yet, I'm confused.
It is funny, the only people I hear actually read the one bill that has been released are Rush...
Even obama says he doesn't know what is in the bill...
Uh, that's what I've been saying all along. There have been multiple bills and multiple ideas floating between the House and Senate since this whole healthcare reform started. Obama was clear during his campaign as to what he envisioned the healthcare reform should look like. In typical fashion, Congress just took some of those ideas, then threw in their typical pork. The Republicans don't buy Obama's plan on how to pay for it, so they throw a wrench into that with this 'small businesses will have to pay 72%(or whatever it is) for all their employers' crap just to make sure the American people won't buy into it. Then the right-wing media take snipets out of yet another version of a bill going around about 'killing medicare', 'forcing grandma to make choices about how to die', and all the other anti-healthcare propaganda, and handing it to their 'followers' so they can disrupt any and all attempts to try and explain exactly what the final bill MAY contain.
The RealityCheck web site is Obama's attempt to try and explain what his plan is. Problem is, no one will read it. They only want to believe what the media is telling them.
Bottom line, nothing is going to happen with healthcare until our illustrious Congressmen get back from their month-long vacation (poor babies. Must be exhausted with all that work they've been doing.
).
http:///forum/post/3108242
What the crap is Obama's plan? It is one one the house released? Or is it one of the handful in the senate. or has he not released it yet, I'm confused.
It is funny, the only people I hear actually read the one bill that has been released are Rush...
Even obama says he doesn't know what is in the bill...
Uh, that's what I've been saying all along. There have been multiple bills and multiple ideas floating between the House and Senate since this whole healthcare reform started. Obama was clear during his campaign as to what he envisioned the healthcare reform should look like. In typical fashion, Congress just took some of those ideas, then threw in their typical pork. The Republicans don't buy Obama's plan on how to pay for it, so they throw a wrench into that with this 'small businesses will have to pay 72%(or whatever it is) for all their employers' crap just to make sure the American people won't buy into it. Then the right-wing media take snipets out of yet another version of a bill going around about 'killing medicare', 'forcing grandma to make choices about how to die', and all the other anti-healthcare propaganda, and handing it to their 'followers' so they can disrupt any and all attempts to try and explain exactly what the final bill MAY contain.
The RealityCheck web site is Obama's attempt to try and explain what his plan is. Problem is, no one will read it. They only want to believe what the media is telling them.
Bottom line, nothing is going to happen with healthcare until our illustrious Congressmen get back from their month-long vacation (poor babies. Must be exhausted with all that work they've been doing.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108351
Uh, that's what I've been saying all along. There have been multiple bills and multiple ideas floating between the House and Senate since this whole healthcare reform started. Obama was clear during his campaign as to what he envisioned the healthcare reform should look like. In typical fashion, Congress just took some of those ideas, then threw in their typical pork. The Republicans don't buy Obama's plan on how to pay for it, so they throw a wrench into that with this 'small businesses will have to pay 72%(or whatever it is) for all their employers' crap just to make sure the American people won't buy into it. Then the right-wing media take snipets out of yet another version of a bill going around about 'killing medicare', 'forcing grandma to make choices about how to die', and all the other anti-healthcare propaganda, and handing it to their 'followers' so they can disrupt any and all attempts to try and explain exactly what the final bill MAY contain.
The RealityCheck web site is Obama's attempt to try and explain what his plan is. Problem is, no one will read it. They only want to believe what the media is telling them.
Bottom line, nothing is going to happen with healthcare until our illustrious Congressmen get back from their month-long vacation (poor babies. Must be exhausted with all that work they've been doing.
).
(on a complete aside, I love how you are proposing this as the truth)
So based on that, there is no way Obama is in support of the HB under the current form? BTW there is one major bill being touted as the health bill. (there are several in the works bills in the senate) And that bill is what people are reading and flipping out about.
Due to Obama's action there is little doubt in my mind he supports the house bill. And Obama, Nancy, or just democrats in general, I don't care where it came from, as prez he is the leader of his party, and if the major players of his party spin out a bill, I would have a SERIOUSLY difficult time believing he didn't play at least condone the bill before it got out of committee, especially one of this magnitude.
As far as I'm concerned what he is doing would be no different than me taking the positions I take hear, then going out and voting democrat...
http:///forum/post/3108351
Uh, that's what I've been saying all along. There have been multiple bills and multiple ideas floating between the House and Senate since this whole healthcare reform started. Obama was clear during his campaign as to what he envisioned the healthcare reform should look like. In typical fashion, Congress just took some of those ideas, then threw in their typical pork. The Republicans don't buy Obama's plan on how to pay for it, so they throw a wrench into that with this 'small businesses will have to pay 72%(or whatever it is) for all their employers' crap just to make sure the American people won't buy into it. Then the right-wing media take snipets out of yet another version of a bill going around about 'killing medicare', 'forcing grandma to make choices about how to die', and all the other anti-healthcare propaganda, and handing it to their 'followers' so they can disrupt any and all attempts to try and explain exactly what the final bill MAY contain.
The RealityCheck web site is Obama's attempt to try and explain what his plan is. Problem is, no one will read it. They only want to believe what the media is telling them.
Bottom line, nothing is going to happen with healthcare until our illustrious Congressmen get back from their month-long vacation (poor babies. Must be exhausted with all that work they've been doing.
(on a complete aside, I love how you are proposing this as the truth)
So based on that, there is no way Obama is in support of the HB under the current form? BTW there is one major bill being touted as the health bill. (there are several in the works bills in the senate) And that bill is what people are reading and flipping out about.
Due to Obama's action there is little doubt in my mind he supports the house bill. And Obama, Nancy, or just democrats in general, I don't care where it came from, as prez he is the leader of his party, and if the major players of his party spin out a bill, I would have a SERIOUSLY difficult time believing he didn't play at least condone the bill before it got out of committee, especially one of this magnitude.
As far as I'm concerned what he is doing would be no different than me taking the positions I take hear, then going out and voting democrat...
uneverno
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3108243
Probably not the best use of the cliche.
Apropos nonetheless.
You've argued little more than Republican talking points, i.e. R = good, D = bad. Nothing intelligently debatable there.
Do you seriously believe the system is ideal as is?
Let's get off the party dogma and talk actual ideas.
Just remember - when you get to be my age and need health care, but you can't afford it because the price is increasing at triple the rate of inflation - don't cry to me. The prices are raised because they can be. That's how Capitalism works. Besides, I prolly won't be able to remember who you are.
http:///forum/post/3108243
Probably not the best use of the cliche.
Apropos nonetheless.
You've argued little more than Republican talking points, i.e. R = good, D = bad. Nothing intelligently debatable there.
Do you seriously believe the system is ideal as is?
Let's get off the party dogma and talk actual ideas.
Just remember - when you get to be my age and need health care, but you can't afford it because the price is increasing at triple the rate of inflation - don't cry to me. The prices are raised because they can be. That's how Capitalism works. Besides, I prolly won't be able to remember who you are.
bionicarm
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3108379
(on a complete aside, I love how you are proposing this as the truth)
So based on that, there is no way Obama is in support of the HB under the current form? BTW there is one major bill being touted as the health bill. (there are several in the works bills in the senate) And that bill is what people are reading and flipping out about.
Due to Obama's action there is little doubt in my mind he supports the house bill. And Obama, Nancy, or just democrats in general, I don't care where it came from, as prez he is the leader of his party, and if the major players of his party spin out a bill, I would have a SERIOUSLY difficult time believing he didn't play at least condone the bill before it got out of committee, especially one of this magnitude.
As far as I'm concerned what he is doing would be no different than me taking the positions I take hear, then going out and voting democrat...
It's called partisan politics. Go listen to his last national broadcast when he specifically discussed the healthcare issue. Reporters were asking him the same questions. His statemnet was he can oversee just so much when it comes to this bill. He pretty much said there's nothing he can do if a 'minority group' of individuals in Congress want to change half of what he intended to be in the bill. The President does have other things on his mind and agenda besides one bill. What's the guy supposed to do when he sends his outline to a group of incompetants that specifically states what he wants to see in the bill, and they go and completely chop it up and throw whatever they want into it? Do you want him to be like a parent and go sit in the House all day, looking over every shoulder to make sure they're following his orders? Obama supports what he has spelled out in his talks and what is on the informational web sites he's had posted. You keep chastising Obama for this House bill, and what's contained in it. HE'S NOT THE ONE MODIFYING IT. At this stage, all he can do is get the highlights that are contained in the bill. If he disagrees with any of the content, he sends that back to Congress with his suggestions for modifications. It's up to Congress to decide whether or not to agree with his suggestions. You make it sound like Obama should solely be responsible for the entire legislation of this reform. Look at the Constitution. That's not how it works. AGAIN, once the FINAL bill comes to fruition, and the entire contents of that bill are known, no one can really argue over its content.
The only benefit I see coming out of these townhall meetings is the American people can actually have a say as to what THEY want to see in a bill as critical as this. The question will be whether these Congressman actually take their suggestions, and apply those into the final bill. History says they won't.
http:///forum/post/3108379
(on a complete aside, I love how you are proposing this as the truth)
So based on that, there is no way Obama is in support of the HB under the current form? BTW there is one major bill being touted as the health bill. (there are several in the works bills in the senate) And that bill is what people are reading and flipping out about.
Due to Obama's action there is little doubt in my mind he supports the house bill. And Obama, Nancy, or just democrats in general, I don't care where it came from, as prez he is the leader of his party, and if the major players of his party spin out a bill, I would have a SERIOUSLY difficult time believing he didn't play at least condone the bill before it got out of committee, especially one of this magnitude.
As far as I'm concerned what he is doing would be no different than me taking the positions I take hear, then going out and voting democrat...
It's called partisan politics. Go listen to his last national broadcast when he specifically discussed the healthcare issue. Reporters were asking him the same questions. His statemnet was he can oversee just so much when it comes to this bill. He pretty much said there's nothing he can do if a 'minority group' of individuals in Congress want to change half of what he intended to be in the bill. The President does have other things on his mind and agenda besides one bill. What's the guy supposed to do when he sends his outline to a group of incompetants that specifically states what he wants to see in the bill, and they go and completely chop it up and throw whatever they want into it? Do you want him to be like a parent and go sit in the House all day, looking over every shoulder to make sure they're following his orders? Obama supports what he has spelled out in his talks and what is on the informational web sites he's had posted. You keep chastising Obama for this House bill, and what's contained in it. HE'S NOT THE ONE MODIFYING IT. At this stage, all he can do is get the highlights that are contained in the bill. If he disagrees with any of the content, he sends that back to Congress with his suggestions for modifications. It's up to Congress to decide whether or not to agree with his suggestions. You make it sound like Obama should solely be responsible for the entire legislation of this reform. Look at the Constitution. That's not how it works. AGAIN, once the FINAL bill comes to fruition, and the entire contents of that bill are known, no one can really argue over its content.
The only benefit I see coming out of these townhall meetings is the American people can actually have a say as to what THEY want to see in a bill as critical as this. The question will be whether these Congressman actually take their suggestions, and apply those into the final bill. History says they won't.
bionicarm
Active Member
Here, I'll make it simple enough even you can understand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3108384
Apropos nonetheless.
You've argued little more than Republican talking points, i.e. R = good, D = bad. Nothing intelligently debatable there.
Do you seriously believe the system is ideal as is?
Let's get off the party dogma and talk actual ideas.
Just remember - when you get to be my age and need health care, but you can't afford it because the price is increasing at triple the rate of inflation - don't cry to me. The prices are raised because they can be. That's how Capitalism works. Besides, I prolly won't be able to remember who you are.
As for talking points, I haven't said anything untrue (as far as I know) you can't just dismiss something because lots of people are saying it.
I'll take that risk. I don't think that it will be an issue. IF you don't buy the car and pay for healthcare (my friend was complaining about him not being able to afford health insurance while we road in his literally brand new car, and went fishing...
) It is very doable with some discipline (my grandparents did it, and had major health issues end of life and still had money left over) I make more money today 2 years out of college than they ever did.
But prices are raised because (as I've argued before) insurance companies are nothing more than a small scale model of government single payer systems. The market reacts the same way. Exploding costs being the main consequence. Any time you have a system where shopping is limited and payment guaranteed by a third party, crap happens.
http:///forum/post/3108384
Apropos nonetheless.
You've argued little more than Republican talking points, i.e. R = good, D = bad. Nothing intelligently debatable there.
Do you seriously believe the system is ideal as is?
Let's get off the party dogma and talk actual ideas.
Just remember - when you get to be my age and need health care, but you can't afford it because the price is increasing at triple the rate of inflation - don't cry to me. The prices are raised because they can be. That's how Capitalism works. Besides, I prolly won't be able to remember who you are.
As for talking points, I haven't said anything untrue (as far as I know) you can't just dismiss something because lots of people are saying it.
I'll take that risk. I don't think that it will be an issue. IF you don't buy the car and pay for healthcare (my friend was complaining about him not being able to afford health insurance while we road in his literally brand new car, and went fishing...
But prices are raised because (as I've argued before) insurance companies are nothing more than a small scale model of government single payer systems. The market reacts the same way. Exploding costs being the main consequence. Any time you have a system where shopping is limited and payment guaranteed by a third party, crap happens.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108510
It's called partisan politics. Go listen to his last national broadcast when he specifically discussed the healthcare issue. Reporters were asking him the same questions. His statemnet was he can oversee just so much when it comes to this bill. He pretty much said there's nothing he can do if a 'minority group' of individuals in Congress want to change half of what he intended to be in the bill. The President does have other things on his mind and agenda besides one bill. What's the guy supposed to do when he sends his outline to a group of incompetants that specifically states what he wants to see in the bill, and they go and completely chop it up and throw whatever they want into it? Do you want him to be like a parent and go sit in the House all day, looking over every shoulder to make sure they're following his orders? Obama supports what he has spelled out in his talks and what is on the informational web sites he's had posted. You keep chastising Obama for this House bill, and what's contained in it. HE'S NOT THE ONE MODIFYING IT. At this stage, all he can do is get the highlights that are contained in the bill. If he disagrees with any of the content, he sends that back to Congress with his suggestions for modifications. It's up to Congress to decide whether or not to agree with his suggestions. You make it sound like Obama should solely be responsible for the entire legislation of this reform. Look at the Constitution. That's not how it works. AGAIN, once the FINAL bill comes to fruition, and the entire contents of that bill are known, no one can really argue over its content.
.
This doesn't wash and just shows how far you will go to defend this guy and your desire to believe he is more than what he is turning out to be.
He has stated healthcare right now is his number one priority. This is his number one goal. This has higher priority than any other issue at the moment. These are his words. Therefore he is spending more time on this than anything else.
You blame congress for writing the bill wrong...yet no matter what is in the bill, if it hits his desk and it is not what he said he wanted, do you honestly think he will VETO the bill?
Lets look at stimulus bill...duringt his campaign he stated he would veto any pork filled bill. That he would not stand for pork in any fashion.....yet...every bill that has hit his desk has been pork filled and passed. Hell, he didn't even read the stimulus bill before he signed it, do you really think he is going to read the healthcare bill?
http:///forum/post/3108510
It's called partisan politics. Go listen to his last national broadcast when he specifically discussed the healthcare issue. Reporters were asking him the same questions. His statemnet was he can oversee just so much when it comes to this bill. He pretty much said there's nothing he can do if a 'minority group' of individuals in Congress want to change half of what he intended to be in the bill. The President does have other things on his mind and agenda besides one bill. What's the guy supposed to do when he sends his outline to a group of incompetants that specifically states what he wants to see in the bill, and they go and completely chop it up and throw whatever they want into it? Do you want him to be like a parent and go sit in the House all day, looking over every shoulder to make sure they're following his orders? Obama supports what he has spelled out in his talks and what is on the informational web sites he's had posted. You keep chastising Obama for this House bill, and what's contained in it. HE'S NOT THE ONE MODIFYING IT. At this stage, all he can do is get the highlights that are contained in the bill. If he disagrees with any of the content, he sends that back to Congress with his suggestions for modifications. It's up to Congress to decide whether or not to agree with his suggestions. You make it sound like Obama should solely be responsible for the entire legislation of this reform. Look at the Constitution. That's not how it works. AGAIN, once the FINAL bill comes to fruition, and the entire contents of that bill are known, no one can really argue over its content.
.
This doesn't wash and just shows how far you will go to defend this guy and your desire to believe he is more than what he is turning out to be.
He has stated healthcare right now is his number one priority. This is his number one goal. This has higher priority than any other issue at the moment. These are his words. Therefore he is spending more time on this than anything else.
You blame congress for writing the bill wrong...yet no matter what is in the bill, if it hits his desk and it is not what he said he wanted, do you honestly think he will VETO the bill?
Lets look at stimulus bill...duringt his campaign he stated he would veto any pork filled bill. That he would not stand for pork in any fashion.....yet...every bill that has hit his desk has been pork filled and passed. Hell, he didn't even read the stimulus bill before he signed it, do you really think he is going to read the healthcare bill?
reefraff
Active Member
The "Minority" in congress doesn't have the ability to change squat. If a health care bill makes it out of congress it is owned by the Democrats lock, stock and barrel unless they negotiate with the Republicans and get bi partisan support. The queen hasn't been inclined to do that with this or many other bills up to now so don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Senator Max from Montana is at least working with Republicans on his form of a bill. Got to give him credit for at least trying to work with the other side.
My question is why hasn't Barrack "The second coming" Obama gotten behind any of these bills? Like I said before he is trying to vote present. He want's to be able to brag about getting it done then crawfish and claim it wasn't the bill he wanted when it turns out to be crap/
My question is why hasn't Barrack "The second coming" Obama gotten behind any of these bills? Like I said before he is trying to vote present. He want's to be able to brag about getting it done then crawfish and claim it wasn't the bill he wanted when it turns out to be crap/
bionicarm
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108620
The "Minority" in congress doesn't have the ability to change squat. If a health care bill makes it out of congress it is owned by the Democrats lock, stock and barrel unless they negotiate with the Republicans and get bi partisan support. The queen hasn't been inclined to do that with this or many other bills up to now so don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Senator Max from Montana is at least working with Republicans on his form of a bill. Got to give him credit for at least trying to work with the other side.
My question is why hasn't Barrack "The second coming" Obama gotten behind any of these bills? Like I said before he is trying to vote present. He want's to be able to brag about getting it done then crawfish and claim it wasn't the bill he wanted when it turns out to be crap/
Who do you think is throwing a wrench into this bill? THE REPUBLICANS. They may be the minority, but their uncooperation and 'stirring the pot' over every piece of this legislation is what is causing all the problems and making it almost impossible for Obama to even understand or figure out what is contained in any of the proposed bills.
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The "Minority" in congress doesn't have the ability to change squat. If a health care bill makes it out of congress it is owned by the Democrats lock, stock and barrel unless they negotiate with the Republicans and get bi partisan support. The queen hasn't been inclined to do that with this or many other bills up to now so don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Senator Max from Montana is at least working with Republicans on his form of a bill. Got to give him credit for at least trying to work with the other side.
My question is why hasn't Barrack "The second coming" Obama gotten behind any of these bills? Like I said before he is trying to vote present. He want's to be able to brag about getting it done then crawfish and claim it wasn't the bill he wanted when it turns out to be crap/
zman1
Active Member
I agree with you most of the time. Don't give the minority party that much power. Don't blame president Obama for not understanding it. If he's a leader, he will figure it out and sell it. This is no walk in the park, there is entrenched BIG MONEY involved and they won't lay down... They have their hired carnival barkers working for them...