Tyree?
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mkzimms
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tyree corals are cultured by Steve Tyree from reeffarmers. the guy searches the world for corals he deems rare and exotic to aquaculture. he has been the go to guy since '93. i have a tyree tri-color acro and its awesome. so basicly the names are just a way to keep track of the lineage of a particular strain.
rotarymagic
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IMO even though I happen to have bought alot of "Tyree LE" and "Mike Paletta" and "ATL" stuff, I do think its alot of hype because there has been at least one member on here that has bought the same stuff as Tyree or actually sold to him only to have Steve deem whatever it is now an "LE" coral lol...
p.s. Steve does not always have the coral first out of the ocean, he does buy alot of his stuff second or third hand then brands it.
p.s. Steve does not always have the coral first out of the ocean, he does buy alot of his stuff second or third hand then brands it.
sharkbait9
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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2886185
IMO even though I happen to have bought alot of "Tyree LE" and "Mike Paletta" and "ATL" stuff, I do think its alot of hype because there has been at least one member on here that has bought the same stuff as Tyree or actually sold to him only to have Steve deem whatever it is now an "LE" coral lol...
p.s. Steve does not always have the coral first out of the ocean, he does buy alot of his stuff second or third hand then brands it.
This kills me to say it. But, the above statement is correct. From what I have read from various articles and the few meet and greets at coral swaps.
Steve doesn’t go all over in search of coral. In his travels to lecture, meet and greets and talk with collectors, coral are brought to his attention and he will make the decision after a search of hte coral and time in a hold tank. Majority of his "LE" coral are in fact given to him, for him to rubber stamp Tyree LE.
Coral that are of the same coral and collection area are the same coral that Steve rubber stamped but are not a “Tyree le” because it did not get his blessing from a holding tank this demigod touched.
http:///forum/post/2886185
IMO even though I happen to have bought alot of "Tyree LE" and "Mike Paletta" and "ATL" stuff, I do think its alot of hype because there has been at least one member on here that has bought the same stuff as Tyree or actually sold to him only to have Steve deem whatever it is now an "LE" coral lol...
p.s. Steve does not always have the coral first out of the ocean, he does buy alot of his stuff second or third hand then brands it.
This kills me to say it. But, the above statement is correct. From what I have read from various articles and the few meet and greets at coral swaps.
Steve doesn’t go all over in search of coral. In his travels to lecture, meet and greets and talk with collectors, coral are brought to his attention and he will make the decision after a search of hte coral and time in a hold tank. Majority of his "LE" coral are in fact given to him, for him to rubber stamp Tyree LE.
Coral that are of the same coral and collection area are the same coral that Steve rubber stamped but are not a “Tyree le” because it did not get his blessing from a holding tank this demigod touched.
rotarymagic
Active Member
Whenever I go coral shopping, I buy what I like regardless of which stamp is on it or lack thereof. I don't care about having "name brand" corals in my tank because its my tank(s) and I'll decorate however I please. I've seen some expensive stuff that looks like crap, but people buy it because its stamped and less expensive stuff that'll blow the doors off the higher dollar corals.
mkzimms
Member
i agree that buying a coral because of its brand is stupid, but there is something that can be said for being able to trace a lineage back to whomever grew it, famous or not. its very cool to know the origins. i will buy a coral by its look not name, but in my experience, most of the best looking corals are named because someone else decided they were nice enough to aquaculture. you usually wont find people doing large scale aquaculture on your run of the mill brown acropora from the LFS.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2886989
i agree that buying a coral because of its brand is stupid, but there is something that can be said for being able to trace a lineage back to whomever grew it, famous or not.
Ask your self these question. Did any of these high prices bell hops sit in front of a tank and mix gametes and color and what ever else to create this coral names “X” Answer, NO
Is their only one “X” coral in the ocean? Answer, NO
Every last coral we have and yet to find all grow in the ocean. While some have colors schemes and morphs they still are coral. While yes, some grow slower then others they are still coral from “X” ocean.
Yes with different light and water chemistry the coral may morph into a brighter color or lose it colors, that’s the chance you take.
The whole lineage ideal is bragging rights, that’s it nothing more nothing less.
AOG’s grow in a bunch around a reef some diver grabs a bunch and decides to name them AOG’s. Another diver grabs a cluster from the same reef only 4 feet over from the original colony but doesn’t given them a name, so they are not AOG’s. Even though they are from the same water, same reef, same gps location but the only difference the demigod did not name them so they can not be AOG’s only knock offs.
People scoff them up crying I have tyree and I have so in so and the coral go up in price. So as long as people are materialistic and name droppers the designer coral names will never go away only get worse.
I will say that from what Steve did say was that his named coral help pay for his studies and so on. So at least its not like he’s living a rock star life off of coral, but he probably could.
God knows I have dropped money on his name. At the same time my wife loves Louie Vitton purses so why can’t I buy Tyree coral.
http:///forum/post/2886989
i agree that buying a coral because of its brand is stupid, but there is something that can be said for being able to trace a lineage back to whomever grew it, famous or not.
Ask your self these question. Did any of these high prices bell hops sit in front of a tank and mix gametes and color and what ever else to create this coral names “X” Answer, NO
Is their only one “X” coral in the ocean? Answer, NO
Every last coral we have and yet to find all grow in the ocean. While some have colors schemes and morphs they still are coral. While yes, some grow slower then others they are still coral from “X” ocean.
Yes with different light and water chemistry the coral may morph into a brighter color or lose it colors, that’s the chance you take.
The whole lineage ideal is bragging rights, that’s it nothing more nothing less.
AOG’s grow in a bunch around a reef some diver grabs a bunch and decides to name them AOG’s. Another diver grabs a cluster from the same reef only 4 feet over from the original colony but doesn’t given them a name, so they are not AOG’s. Even though they are from the same water, same reef, same gps location but the only difference the demigod did not name them so they can not be AOG’s only knock offs.
People scoff them up crying I have tyree and I have so in so and the coral go up in price. So as long as people are materialistic and name droppers the designer coral names will never go away only get worse.
I will say that from what Steve did say was that his named coral help pay for his studies and so on. So at least its not like he’s living a rock star life off of coral, but he probably could.
God knows I have dropped money on his name. At the same time my wife loves Louie Vitton purses so why can’t I buy Tyree coral.
mr_x
Active Member
how exactly do you trace a coral back to the beginning? do you bother each and every person the coral was fragged by and ask them where they got it until finally you get to this tyree guy?
do you all still keep in contact with every person you ever bought a coral from?
the only reason i'd buy a name brand coral is because it looks good.
trust me on this- you'll not hear of me spending rediculous money on names. give me the wild colony that no one has for 1/10th of the cost!
do you all still keep in contact with every person you ever bought a coral from?
the only reason i'd buy a name brand coral is because it looks good.
trust me on this- you'll not hear of me spending rediculous money on names. give me the wild colony that no one has for 1/10th of the cost!
petjunkie
Active Member
I always get a kick out of the "lineage" questions, like who goes searching back five people just to prove they paid a bunch for the coral therefor it is always worth xxx amount of money, even though that goes against the whole idea of fragging to begin with which is to lower prices and stop the reef pillaging. If you like it buy it but a name does not make an eye or one polyp of some coral worth $200 to me at least. It's taken reefkeeping to a new low of everybody paying out the butt for tiny fresh cut fingernail size corals and everybody buying to frag instead of to enjoy. You never see people with colonies any more, just frags. There are corals that have been around for years and then become Tyree marketed LE status and the original colonies are considered knockoffs because they didn't come from reeffarmers. It's ridiculous, no coral sold from them is rare or limited, just overpriced.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2887394
how exactly do you trace a coral back to the beginning? do you bother each and every person the coral was fragged by and ask them where they got it until finally you get to this tyree guy?
do you all still keep in contact with every person you ever bought a coral from?
the only reason i'd buy a name brand coral is because it looks good.
trust me on this- you'll not hear of me spending rediculous money on names. give me the wild colony that no one has for 1/10th of the cost!
http:///forum/post/2887394
how exactly do you trace a coral back to the beginning? do you bother each and every person the coral was fragged by and ask them where they got it until finally you get to this tyree guy?
do you all still keep in contact with every person you ever bought a coral from?
the only reason i'd buy a name brand coral is because it looks good.
trust me on this- you'll not hear of me spending rediculous money on names. give me the wild colony that no one has for 1/10th of the cost!
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by petjunkie
http:///forum/post/2887584
I always get a kick out of the "lineage" questions, like who goes searching back five people just to prove they paid a bunch for the coral therefor it is always worth xxx amount of money, even though that goes against the whole idea of fragging to begin with which is to lower prices and stop the reef pillaging. If you like it buy it but a name does not make an eye or one polyp of some coral worth $200 to me at least. It's taken reefkeeping to a new low of everybody paying out the butt for tiny fresh cut fingernail size corals and everybody buying to frag instead of to enjoy. You never see people with colonies any more, just frags. There are corals that have been around for years and then become Tyree marketed LE status and the original colonies are considered knockoffs because they didn't come from reeffarmers. It's ridiculous, no coral sold from them is rare or limited, just overpriced.
http:///forum/post/2887584
I always get a kick out of the "lineage" questions, like who goes searching back five people just to prove they paid a bunch for the coral therefor it is always worth xxx amount of money, even though that goes against the whole idea of fragging to begin with which is to lower prices and stop the reef pillaging. If you like it buy it but a name does not make an eye or one polyp of some coral worth $200 to me at least. It's taken reefkeeping to a new low of everybody paying out the butt for tiny fresh cut fingernail size corals and everybody buying to frag instead of to enjoy. You never see people with colonies any more, just frags. There are corals that have been around for years and then become Tyree marketed LE status and the original colonies are considered knockoffs because they didn't come from reeffarmers. It's ridiculous, no coral sold from them is rare or limited, just overpriced.
mkzimms
Member
from how it sounds, you all shop at payless and thrift stores because quality in a brand name doesn't matter. tyree doesn't sell anything just to put his name on it. he travels the world looking for what he considers rare and exotic. he then aquacultures them for sale. its like buying a LV bag or a shirt from gucci. you pay the price because the quality and rareness is there. tyree is basically a high-end brand name for corals. i buy what looks good regardless of whomevers name is one it... but compare what tyree or ORA has to offer vs. what you can get from your standard LFS. when it come down to it, its the difference between a flank steak and a fillet minion.
mr_x
Active Member
i somewhat disagree. have you seen the new "red planet" ora just put out? not very impressive. i've seen some nicer wild colonies and i haven't searched the world for them. alot of it is hype. everyone is so hyped up about names that they'll buy it whether they like the piece or not.
05xrunner
Active Member
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
from how it sounds, you all shop at payless and thrift stores because quality in a brand name doesn't matter. tyree doesn't sell anything just to put his name on it. he travels the world looking for what he considers rare and exotic. he then aquacultures them for sale. its like buying a LV bag or a shirt from gucci. you pay the price because the quality and rareness is there. tyree is basically a high-end brand name for corals. i buy what looks good regardless of whomevers name is one it... but compare what tyree or ORA has to offer vs. what you can get from your standard LFS. when it come down to it, its the difference between a flank steak and a fillet minion.
I guess you buy into the name..a Sunset Monti is a Sunset monti..its just if you got that stupid Tyree name on it..then somehow its double the price even know they are the exact same. I have had plenty of things way nicer then some of that tyree. They can keep that stupid name and try and feel better about themself cause they overpaid for a coral that was no different then its original species that is most likely for sale and is the exact same for 1/2 the price...These are corals..people are NOT making them. This is nothing like some product that is MADE with better quality. These are living creatures just cause his name on it doesnt mean crap.
http:///forum/post/2887921
from how it sounds, you all shop at payless and thrift stores because quality in a brand name doesn't matter. tyree doesn't sell anything just to put his name on it. he travels the world looking for what he considers rare and exotic. he then aquacultures them for sale. its like buying a LV bag or a shirt from gucci. you pay the price because the quality and rareness is there. tyree is basically a high-end brand name for corals. i buy what looks good regardless of whomevers name is one it... but compare what tyree or ORA has to offer vs. what you can get from your standard LFS. when it come down to it, its the difference between a flank steak and a fillet minion.
I guess you buy into the name..a Sunset Monti is a Sunset monti..its just if you got that stupid Tyree name on it..then somehow its double the price even know they are the exact same. I have had plenty of things way nicer then some of that tyree. They can keep that stupid name and try and feel better about themself cause they overpaid for a coral that was no different then its original species that is most likely for sale and is the exact same for 1/2 the price...These are corals..people are NOT making them. This is nothing like some product that is MADE with better quality. These are living creatures just cause his name on it doesnt mean crap.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
from how it sounds, you all shop at payless and thrift stores because quality in a brand name doesn't matter.
Nope, not me. What does that have to do with coral anyway?
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
tyree doesn't sell anything just to put his name on it. he travels the world looking for what he considers rare and exotic.
You need to really read about Steve and sit in on some of his meet and greets. Steve from what I gather is a real good researcher. But Majority of his coral are collected on trips from wild collectors and wholesalers. He doesn’t go out purposely collecting coral. Once again that demigod touches a coral and likes it, it becomes a tyree LE. He’s not painstakingly breeding and producing the coral himself.
So whats so rare and exotic from a Tyree and the same coral another guy touched?
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
he then aquacultures them for sale
Yeah, they sit in his tanks and stamps his name on them. Whoop de doo.
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
its like buying a LV bag or a shirt from gucci. you pay the price because the quality and rareness is there.
What??? Really. Hmmm no not really, Louise vitton bags are like toilet paper its all over the place. My wife has a closet full. She sees one says ooooh like that one and buys it. we walk out of the store and then you start to notice its not rare everyone got it.
http:///forum/post/2887921
from how it sounds, you all shop at payless and thrift stores because quality in a brand name doesn't matter.
Nope, not me. What does that have to do with coral anyway?
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
tyree doesn't sell anything just to put his name on it. he travels the world looking for what he considers rare and exotic.
You need to really read about Steve and sit in on some of his meet and greets. Steve from what I gather is a real good researcher. But Majority of his coral are collected on trips from wild collectors and wholesalers. He doesn’t go out purposely collecting coral. Once again that demigod touches a coral and likes it, it becomes a tyree LE. He’s not painstakingly breeding and producing the coral himself.
So whats so rare and exotic from a Tyree and the same coral another guy touched?
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
he then aquacultures them for sale
Yeah, they sit in his tanks and stamps his name on them. Whoop de doo.
Originally Posted by mkzimms
http:///forum/post/2887921
its like buying a LV bag or a shirt from gucci. you pay the price because the quality and rareness is there.
What??? Really. Hmmm no not really, Louise vitton bags are like toilet paper its all over the place. My wife has a closet full. She sees one says ooooh like that one and buys it. we walk out of the store and then you start to notice its not rare everyone got it.
mkzimms;2887921tyree is basically a high-end brand name for corals. i buy what looks good regardless of whomevers name is one it... but compare what tyree or ORA has to offer vs. what you can get from your standard LFS. Well then you need to find a new LFS cause I can find coral that are real nice that beat out ora and tyree real easy. The name is the glamour not the coral itself. Some people see tyree and have to have a tyree. When it comes to coral color jumps out the most not a name. Originally Posted by mkzimms[/b said:
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by 05xrunner
http:///forum/post/2888182
These are living creatures just cause his name on it doesnt mean crap.
http:///forum/post/2888182
These are living creatures just cause his name on it doesnt mean crap.
texasmetal
Active Member
From Steve Tyree himself at our DFW coral farmers market a few weeks ago, "I do not label anything I sell as 'Tyree', it will be labelled 'Reeffarmer". Anyone selling ANYTHING with 'Tyree' on it is just making an extra buck off my name."