um having some trouble

[ninerfan4life]

in the past 6 months or so i have bought a cleaner shrimp, fire shrimp, and the latest a coral banded shrimp which have all sadly died and i have no idea why. The fire and cleaner i bought from a pet store, and both died in the bag when i was acclimating them. The coral i just got in today from saltwater.com . She swam around a little then about half an hour later she (and her eggs) where died. Any thoughts....my nitrates are about 5ppm everything else is on the money. Sal is .24 and its a 55 ........????

 

[ninerfan4life]

o and i have bought them all at different times

 

[big]

I think may times with shrimp a proper acclimation process or lack of may be to blame.......
First issue, did you drip acclimate them? Many inverts will not make it long without a proper acclimation. Read the flash on the left about acclimation if you have not done so. For shrimp I take a longer time to do it than any other critters.
If the salinity of the bag water is too far off from the water in tour tank??, Even a standard long drip acclimation may need to be extended beyond what we would consider to be a normal acclimation time if the bag water is considerably different than our tank water is. Secondly when adding invertebrates I check other parameters in the bag water first. Not just salinity but PH too when starting the drip....... The more difference between them the longer the acclimation will take. Sometimes many hours.
Hope this helps the next ones to make it........

 

[unleashed]

how long are you acclimating ?has your tank ever been treated with copper?
how are your ammonia levels, ph. etc
and when you say coral and eggs not sure what your talking about

 

[ninerfan4life]

no i didnt drip them. i let them flot for 30 mins , then poored about half the water out and replaced it with some water in my tank for a nother 30 mins then placed them in my tank. i think im going to watch the acclimation flash. thanks for the help big

 

[ninerfan4life]

Originally Posted by unleashed
http:///forum/post/2844448
how long are you acclimating ?has your tank ever been treated with copper?
how are your ammonia levels, ph. etc
and when you say coral and eggs not sure what your talking about
what do you mean with the cooper..? The coral banded shrimp and she had eggs on her belly lol. The only level that was off was the Nitrate and it was about 5 ppm, The nitrite, ammonia, ph, where all good. Salinity was .24

 

[ninerfan4life]

Originally Posted by big
http:///forum/post/2844439
I think may times with shrimp a proper acclimation process or lack of may be to blame.......
First issue, did you drip acclimate them? Many inverts will not make it long without a proper acclimation. Read the flash on the left about acclimation if you have not done so. For shrimp I take a longer time to do it than any other critters.
If the salinity of the bag water is too far off from the water in tour tank??, Even a standard long drip acclimation may need to be extended beyond what we would consider to be a normal acclimation time if the bag water is considerably different than our tank water is. Secondly when adding invertebrates I check other parameters in the bag water first. Not just salinity but PH too when starting the drip....... The more difference between them the longer the acclimation will take. Sometimes many hours.
Hope this helps the next ones to make it........

oh one more question after watching the flash, say like.. today i recieved a reef package, do i have to do one bag at a time or....?

 

[big]

Two things, the issue someone raised about "Copper" is even trace amounts is harmful to many things, our corals,any plants and especially invertebrates. Once there is copper in a system it is just about impossible to eliminate even trace amounts. There are many freshwater treatments that use it. This is one of the big concerns one has when converting a freshwater tank to a salt or especially a reef tank.
Second as to the acclimation of a reef pack. It applies just about the same. If your pack comes as several bags, I would NOT just mix them all at once as a single acclimation ...........Some critters are more susceptible to sudden changes than others. The shrimps being just about the most fragile of about all of them. Do them as groups according to the bags...... Yes it is time consuming, but they all will make it fine if done correctly........ Good Luck....... Warren

 

[ninerfan4life]

Originally Posted by big
http:///forum/post/2844590
Two things, the issue someone raised about "Copper" is even trace amounts is harmful to many things, our corals,any plants and especially invertebrates. Once there is copper in a system it is just about impossible to eliminate even trace amounts. There are many freshwater treatments that use it. This is one of the big concerns one has when converting a freshwater tank to a salt or especially a reef tank.
Second as to the acclimation of a reef pack. It applies just about the same. If your pack comes as several bags, I would NOT just mix them all at once as a single acclimation ...........Some critters are more susceptible to sudden changes than others. The shrimps being just about the most fragile of about all of them. Do them as groups according to the bags...... Yes it is time consuming, but they all will make it fine if done correctly........ Good Luck....... Warren
Thanks a bunch

 

[ninerfan4life]

Originally Posted by big
http:///forum/post/2844590
Two things, the issue someone raised about "Copper" is even trace amounts is harmful to many things, our corals,any plants and especially invertebrates. Once there is copper in a system it is just about impossible to eliminate even trace amounts. There are many freshwater treatments that use it. This is one of the big concerns one has when converting a freshwater tank to a salt or especially a reef tank.
Second as to the acclimation of a reef pack. It applies just about the same. If your pack comes as several bags, I would NOT just mix them all at once as a single acclimation ...........Some critters are more susceptible to sudden changes than others. The shrimps being just about the most fragile of about all of them. Do them as groups according to the bags...... Yes it is time consuming, but they all will make it fine if done correctly........ Good Luck....... Warren
lol one more is there a way to test for cooper?

 

[big]

Most likely it is not an issue unless the tank or rock had been used in freshhwater, or many of your fish came from a store that uses it...........
Google the term " Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Copper Test Kit" to find the kit. I am not sure if it is carried here by SWF.

 

[errattiq]

+1. Shrimp are HIGHLY sensitive to temp changes and salinity changes... $10 says they got shocked when the salinity/temperature from the bag mixed with that of the new water. Your best bet is to drip acclimate them for around 2 or so hours. Always works for me.