under substrate jets

i found this site and was woundering if this would work for a sw tank if so what substrate should i use??? article kinda of long
Constructing Under-Gravel Jets
by Marc Elieson
When I first started keeping fish, I was concerned about "dead spots" in my aquarium. I then had this crazy idea: what if I hooked up a submersible pump (power head) to some PVC pipe that ran along the bottom of the aquarium? It's been several years now and I have been extremely pleased with the results. The water movement in the aquarium is superb; there are no dead spots. And by adding a sponge filter to the submersible pump(s) I have been able to keep the bottom of the aquarium spotless. The need for vacuuming the substrate has been completely eliminated. In fact, after 6 months of not vacuuming, I decided to test the effectiveness of my undergravel jets (ugj). Literally, nothing came up; it was perfectly clean.
The concept behind this setup works quite the opposite of an undergravel filter; I try to keep waste products off the bottom and out of the gravel. Wastes and debris get caught on the sponge prefilters (attached to the submersible pumps) As I've already mentioned, this makes maintenance much less of a chore. Instead of having to tediously clean the gravel, I just remove and rinse the spongess and then return them.
UGJ are easy and inexpensive to make. What you need to do first is figure out where you want the jets pointing, and where you want to place the submersible pumps. I like to put the pumps in the back corners, behind rocks, so they aren't very visible. And I like to have at least two, if not three, jets (i.e., exits) for each pump, that way you don't get a big blast coming out. Choosing how many pumps to have is a function of the size of your tank. One pump with three "jets" is sufficient for a 55-gallon tank. I have three pumps with 8 "jets" in my 135-gallon. If your tank is only 20 or 30 gallons, I recommend a smaller pump with just two "jets."
Once you have your pump and jet locations set, draw out how you want the pipes to run from beginning to end. It is important to have a branching network so that they will be stable. If you have a single pipe with out bending or branching, with only one exit, it won't stand up properly. Below is a sketch I made when setting up one of my tanks. I decided how I wanted my tank to look first, with the rocks and other decorations. Then, I decided where I wanted the current to flow and where I was going to put the pumps. The next step is to design a pathway connecting the pumps to the "jet" locations. Your pipe network does not need to be as complex as my first design, but do think about stability when creating yours.
Assembling the PVC is relatively easy. Measure and cut the PVC pipes, and then lay them out like you want them to appear in your tank. You want to be sure and give yourself at least a couple of inches away from the glass so that the pump doesnft sit against the glass, and if your jets are angled towards the glass, you donft want them touching right up against it. So be sure and measure the pieces before you glue them.
To glue the PVC you will need the primer and glue. Both are cheap and can be bought at any hardware store. PVC is also really cheap, although the adapters and attachments are as much as an 8-ft. piece of pipe (~$1.25). Rub the primer inside the adapter and on the outside of the pipe, then run the glue over the primer and immediately fit the pieces together. It will cure in about 10 seconds, after which time you will not be able to move the pieces again.
You donft necessarily need to glue the PVC because they wonft come apart and who cares if you get a little leakage if itfs under your gravel? Besides, they wonft leak. Plus, therefs an advantage to not gluing the PVC (besides not having to buy the glue): you wonft have to throw away your attachments if you made a mistake measuring. And you can use the PVC again in another tank, or you can change up your design if you donft like it. If you glue your project and decide to change your setup, youfll have to start over.
To make the "jets," I cut 2-inch pieces and connect them using a 30-degree attachment so that they angle upward. To pinch them, you need to heat these 2-inch pieces in a pot of water. When the water begins to boil, the pieces will be hot enough to pinch with plyers.I first pinch it straight on, and then clamp the whole opening from the side. Hold it pinched for about 20 seconds, allowing it to cool in the air, and then you can release it. You now have a focused "jet." If you didnft like the way it looks, you can reboil it and try again.
If you do glue your project, wait 12-24 hours before you put it in your tank. The best advice I can give you is to remove your gravel completely to get the PVC down under and close to the tank. Otherwise, your Cichlids will dig it up, exposing it. You may even want to put rocks on the pipes to keep it down under the gravel.
The most frequently asked question I get is how to hook the pumps to the pipes. The diagram to the right documents the hardware I use (click on the image to enlarge it). I use Rio 2100 pumps. Other pumps may or may not fit the Marineland prefilter kit. Rio 1700-2500 models will fit the prefilter. Smaller Rio pumps can still be used; however, attaching them to a prefilter is not pratical. You will still get the great water movement, but without the prefilter you won't get the cleaning effect that you would otherwise.
Dozens of people have used UGJ in their aquariums with great results. What's so neat about UGJ is that they are highly customizable. People have used them with gravel and sand. Some creative adaptations that I have seen are first gluing the PVC to the bottom of the aquarium with silicone to prevent them from being dislodged by diggers. Others, in an attempt to disguise the white PVC, have covered the PVC with epoxy and then glued their substrate to the top of the pipes. _
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ug_jets.php
there is web site so you can see the pictures to get a better idea
 
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thomas712

Guest
WEll I doubt that many of use with sand are going to try using this unique form of water movment.
(Perhaps Plant Boy Bob will do an experiment for us)
It is a rather interesting concept, which I think could be preformed with a bare bottom tank and enough circulation.
Wonder what you would do if it ever gets clogged up?
A gravel only substrate would halve to be used or course crushed coral.
Thomas
 
i dont know how it would get clogged up see how the power head has a prefilter sponge on it preventing anything from getting down into the pvc
 

squidd

Active Member
Go for it then post a pic and tell us how it worked...:D
On second thought...:thinking: ...Don't...It's a freshwater idea and the sand and gravel is of a different consistency then what "most" use in their SW tanks...
Try taking a PH and build a small extention and "jet" as per plans...Stick it in the sand at angles recomended and see what happens...:nope:
 

phreakemup

Member
I was looking at this a while ago!! I think, as long as you aim the outputs correctly, you should be A ok! Just make sure at the end of each output, you have a 45 degree piece of PVC, and the current should be fine... Good luck, and keep us posted
Phreak
 
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