Upgrading to LR and DSB

chrisg

New Member
After reading many of the helpful messages on this great board, I've decided to replace my CC and dead rock and coral with a DSB and some LR in my 55 gal fish tank.
Does anybody have any advise on the potential problems. The tank is established, but currently only has 3 fish (figi puffer, tomato clown, blue damsel). My guess is to add the sand first than add live rock a few pieces at a time.
My other concern is lighting. Do I need to upgrade? Currently have 30w of aquaglows. I do not plan on keeping any live corals or anenomes.
 

broomer5

Active Member
OLD THREAD FROM MAY.
I MADE THE SWITCH BACK IN DECEMBER
THIS MAY HELP
SORRY FOR YELLING :p
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If you want to make the change over - one method many folks here have used ( including myself ) is to get you a large rubbermaid or plastic container.
A couple 30 gallon containers would be ideal for your set up - or a big 50 would be even better $20.00 Home Depot.
You need to map out your plan BEFORE starting to do this. Write it down if that helps.
You'll need the sand first - determine what type and how much and buy it. Some folks rinse it - some don't. I don't rinse sand.
Also you need to decide if you plan to replace any of the old saltwater with new saltwater.
If you are adding some new - it should be mixed up and aerated overnight before you start the swap.
A spare heater a MUST if you are using one now.
A spare powerhead is a MUST.
A thermometer is a MUST.
Some dry towels are handy to have around too.
Siphon out about half your tank water to this container with some vinyl tubing.
Place the heater and a powerhead in this container. Turn them on.
What you're trying to do is get the container up and running like your tank is now.
Temperature and circulation is key.
Start moving the live rock over to this container.
Move you corals if you have any, over to the container.
Siphon off a little more water if you must to insure all the corals are completely covered with water.
Net your fish and transfer them over now.
Hand pick all your snails and crabs and any other critters.
Siphon off the rest of the tank water to this container. Check temperature and provide good water circulation.
Scoop out the nasty CC and discard in a double plastic garbage bag lined 5 gallon bucket or two.
Discard this stuff - it will stink like _______ ( fill in blank )
Hose out or in the tub - rinse out the tank.
If needed do a quick wipe down with an algae pad or scrape any hard to remove crap from the glass tank walls.
Rinse very well with freshwater.
Wipe it down dry.
Check on your critters in your Rubbermaid container now and then. They should be fine if temp and water is moving.
Set up your 55 back on your stand.
Now here's the debate.
If you plan to place your rock first then you got to do it now.
If you plan to place your live rock on top of the sandbed, then pour in the sandbed to desired depth ( 4-6 inches is nice )
Place a clean glass bowl in the bottom of the tank on top of the sand.
Start pumping ( or pouring ) some of the container saltwater back into the tank about half way.
It will be very CLOUDY. It's normal. Here's where I like to add new tank water. That way I can get my tank full again, and start getting the temperature back up, and start my filters.
Let the tank run several hours if you want.
It clears the tank somewhat.
When you feel ready, and you've checked and tested the new tankwater closely ....
Transfer the rest of the live rock.
Move your corals over.
Net your fish and add them back to the tank.
If you've added any new saltwater to the 55 - I would acclimate these fish as you do when you buy one.
Round up your snails, hermits and such - acclimate them back to the new tank.
That's about it.
Other's may have different methods - this is what I've done before and did not lose any creatures.
good luck
 

gregzbobo

Member
Is the dead rock you mention full of holes and pits and such as live rock is? If so, there may be some bacteria already colonized within it, and you may want to keep some of it and use it for base rock. Or place it in your sump if you have one and let it do its work there where you don't have to look at it.
 

chrisg

New Member
Thanks for the thread info. broomer5 it is very helpful.
Gregzbobo,
Yes, the rocks are full of holes and actually look OK, so I will use them as base rock.
I noticed you are upgrading to VHO lights. Is this for the live rock or are you planning on adding corals?
Do you have a wet dry ? I guess few people use these anymore. I use one in my sump along with an oceanic 4 protien skimmer.
 

gregzbobo

Member
I will start out with softies first, 380 watts isn't really enough for sps or clams, I may get an lps or two, like an elegance, or perhaps a hammer, once I am comfortable keeping softies. I have an amiracle wet-dry in my stand, but I do not use the bioballs. I replaced them instead with about 20 pounds or so of base rock, and a couple pounds of decent live rock. I keep my sump water level as high as it can go and still not flood if the pump stops for some reason, so the rock down there is almost completely submerged when the pump is running, I intend to put a bit more base rock in there from my display when I order some live rock from this site and buy some locally, so I have mostly good corralline coated rock in the display, and will not have to worry quite as much about algea getting a foothold on the bare rock. I have a seaclone skimmer, that I modified to make it work a little better, but by summer, I plan to upgrade to a euro-reef cs6-1 skimmer, since I have a smallish tank, and that skimmer is rated up to 75 gallons or better, plus I don't have room for anything bigger. Footprint on it is 10.5"x11.5" and the space it will have to go is 12" square. Plus I have heard all sorts of good things about the euro-reef, and the only bad thing is it is an in-sump unit only, which is fine with me. Good luck on your setup!
 

broomer5

Active Member
Hi ntvflgirl ;)
As you know, much of the bacteria lives in the live rock.
As long as you have a lot of live rock, and keep it warm in a circulated container - the bacteria don't care.
Placing all this fully cured live rock - that's been in the previous tank for a long long time - will still allow for biofiltration in the new set up tank.
Even with a new substrate.
Even with new saltwater.
I wouldn't add anymore fish during the transition.
I wouldn't feed the tank for a couple days afterwards either.
But I did this switch over a weekend in late December - and I only lost one turbo snail - that I dropped and stepped on.
All corals/inverts/fish came through with flying colors.
It can be done - if you work quickly - not rushing around like crazy - but paying attention to the little details and work thoroughly.
All new water parameters HAVE TO MATCH the old tankwater as close as you can get them.
It can make you a nervous wreck though :p
;)
 
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