Used pump sent?

fishy7

Active Member
Hi,
I ordered an Aqua C EV240 with the Iwaki MD40RLT pump and it arrived in a few days. The skimmer was perfectly fine but the pump on the other hand was used.
The box was opened, no manual, the wires coming off the pump were crinkled and the cardboard packaging was just thrown in the box. I ordered ths unit from Marine Dep*t, has anyone had any issues from this supplier? If not, beware!
:mad:
 

thegrog

Active Member
Strange.
I've ordered from them many times without problem. I would contact them and see what they say.
 

lepete

Member
Hmm...
I ordered a Pan World pump from them about 6 months ago... The pump seemed to be brand new. However, the box was not seal and the waranty paper was missing. I am not blaming M Depot for the box might have never been sealed and the the paper might not have been placed with the pump.
 

fishy7

Active Member
Interesting. I ordered a won bro heater from them with 0 problems, but this pump is clearly used. Must be a one time occurance?

Thanks for the replies! :thinking:
 

scsinet

Active Member
I've spent thousands of dollars over at least 8-10 orders with them. I order almost every piece of equipment and dry goods I get from them. I have had absoutely stellar service from them every single time and not one problem with any item, with the exception of two items.
1. A CPR wet/dry arrived cracked and busted on one side. Called them up. Had a replacement a couple days later, and UPS showed up that afternoon to pick up the bad one. No questions asked on a 300 dollar filter.
2. A generic U-Tube return had a bad plastic seam and leaked. They didn't even make me send in the old one, they just sent a new one to me.
In other words, their customer service is outstanding. Just call them up, I'm sure they'll make it right.
... or don't call it used. Call it "Experienced."
 

fishy7

Active Member
I called their customer service and he told me that pumps often come that way and reluctantly gave a return number, which is required.
1) questioned the wires and he said that is the way they come.
2) questioned the wraper and he said they must have tested it at the factory(they usually test before packaging)
3) questioned the user manual says they often do not come with one. (how do you wire the pump?)
Something does not sound right about this conversation.
I was pleasant on the phone and did not show attitude.... ohhh well pump is going back and business goes somewhere else. ***)
 

acrylic51

Active Member
It's very obvious the pump was used....I've bought many a many Iwaki and other pumps and never had an Iwaki come out of the box looking like the nature described!!!!!!! I agree with your choice to take your business elsewhere......Regardless if that is how it comes from the manufacture, the bottom line is MD's name is on the line.....Customer should be satisfied with his purchase regardless.......
Off the subject a bit, but had to order a new bottom sash for my Anderson window my 225lb Rotty decided to go through.......Anderson shipped the new window, box was perfect and in good shape and upon taking the window out of the box found the bottom corner of the window looked like it had been dropped.....Wood casing dented a bit, but wasn't satisfied due to the cost of the replacement window sash, $475.00 and wasn't sure if it was still sealed.....Called their customer service and explained the problem, they said to install the new sash till the replacement arrived, and I asked if they wanted it back they said no if it doesn't fog you have a replacement the next time....Again that is what customer service is for.....If your paying for a good you should be totally satisfied.....You worked hard for the money you spent with their company
 

fishy7

Active Member
Acrylic,
I agree....WE all work hard for our money and deserve what we are paying for. I, just as everyone, know the deifference between "new" and "used". If I buy a used product then I get what I paid for.

As far as the customer service end of the deal.... You pay peanuts you get monkeys. :notsure:
 

fishy7

Active Member
SCSInet, they did take the pump back but, they did not want to as you can tell from my posts. I would expect a simple sorry and let us get one out to you right away. I even had to pay for shipping, since they would not. It is definately not right.

What would you expect if this happened to you? How would you want to be treated?
 

scsinet

Active Member
I understand your point. What I was considering is that what if they are telling the truth, that the manufacturer provided the pump to them this way, for whatever reason. You call and tell them that you want your money back. What you've done is returned to them a pump that they may not be able to sell because of what the manufacturer did.
Assuming that, I can see why they'd be somewhat less than cheerful about it.
Now, don't get me wrong, it's not your fault that the manufacturer did this, and what the vendor should be cheerful about is being given the opportunity to make it right for your and maintain their reputation in the industry. What I am saying is that assuming that the stories on both sides are correct, then the vendor is being caught in the middle here, and at the end of the day, they are eating the loss and making it right for you. Reluctant or not, they gave you what you wanted, and may very well be taking a loss on the pump. To me, they deserve at least some credit for that.
Also consider that they probably get stories like that all the time from customers who are lying to them about it. They probably have people unbox the stuff, tear it all up, and try to return. Granted, you were being honest in this case, but in the end, it's probably something they've been burned on before, yet they did take your word for it and take it back. I've seen many vendors who say "Once it's opened, you're stuck with it," yet when they send you something in this shape, they say "No, you must have opened it, we wouldn't send it to you like that." Again, I just think they deserve a little credit for giving you the benefit of the doubt and making it right for you.
...oh, and on your side... if someone else did what I described above and return it used, only to have the Depot turn around and try to pass it off on you... then they should be horse whipped. Of course all this is moot because we don't know what that pump's story really is.
 

chipmaker

Active Member
99% of the time most places are more than happy to have the item picked up and returned to them on their nickle. Odds are a manufact did not send out such a product in such condition, although the chance does exist. Odds are it was bought and returned after opening it up, and all shipping and receiving did was stick it back on the shelf much like they do in Wally World to all those returns they get. Chances are once they get it back and someone else orders the same item, it will be sent out again and ignorance claimed to the fact its not packed or contains all items and may have even been used. In other words the customer is not right with MD.....and IMHO customer right or wrong, its still MD issue to take it up with the manuf not the end buyer.......and more than likely if MD tells the manuf it was faulty they would send them a replacement in a properly packed box free of charge so MD in all reality is not loosing a dime on it one way or another.
I purchased a light fo9r a tank, and it too was what appeared to have been used or at least setup and reboxed.....may have been a store demo or ?? Instructions etc were folded totally different than what the original creases in the paper was, and you could tell the cord was also re-wrapped different due to kinks in cord, and in general it had the looks of being opened up.......The company I bought it from took it back on their nickle and sent a new one the same day they got confirmatin item was picked up by UPS.......Thats customer service.... I had a new light arrive a few days later in a factory sealed box. IIRC there is a law against reboxing and reselling items as new if there is any doubt they may have been opened and used. IT may just be a state law here, but I know one place in particular here got burned for repacking (heatshrink wrapping returned software) by the states attorney general.
 

scsinet

Active Member
I don't disagree for a second that the customer should be stuck with the item, and I 100% agree that if that is what MD did... just send him out a previously used and returned item, then they should be, as I put it earlier, horse whipped.
What I am saying is that if the vendor gives you what you want, and their only flaw is that they were not cheerful about it, then they deserve a second chance, especially when everyone out here on the boards are talking about how they never had a problem like that. I just hate to see a vendor that I personally find so outstanding trashed because one sales rep didn't sound 100% cheerful about taking a return.
I don't work for Marine Depot or anything like that, I'm just a hobbyist who has had nothing but great experiences with them.
 
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