Very sick seahorse

rykna

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The white patches have returned on Romeo. He has been very listless. He wanders around the tank...floating with the current. From time to time he stops and limply holds to a rock or coral.
Early today I had done some extensive research regarding seahorse dieseases and treatments. I also placed and order for 2 types of meds. Meth blue and green. It wasn't until feeding time tonight when I saw how miserable he was. He looked like I fell when I have a severe flu. I gently scooped him up and examined the 2 white patches. It is definately a bacterial skin disease. In my research I read some basic meds like neosporin can also be applied to this infection with positive results. I scooped him up again an gently applied the neosporin with a q-tip to the white areas. It will have to do until the meds get here.
I'm not a doctor, but my experience with animals tells me that Romeo has at 20% chance of pulling through this, but I hope I am wrong.
 

rykna

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They look like snow. There are 2 patches on the right side along the neck. I am very happy to report that Romeo is still with us this morning. He is hiding in some rocks in the back.
 

poniegirl

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Hi Rykna,
Is he eating?
Do the patches appear raised or like open wounds?
(Good job with the neosporin) Do you have a hospital tank set up?
Though none of the horses I kept ever displayed significant color changes, often they would develope lighter areas and give me a good scare for a while.
 

reefreak29

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ok it could be something more then lesions,theres something calles columnaris,
it usually starts of that the fish wont eat and will sometimes float in the water.usually the second stage to this is there triggers under there snout will hang out and if it progresses enough there bodies will be covered in what is often mistaken for a funges.
put the fish in a qt if it already isnt.
2 drugs to use is furanace its a powerful antibiotic,another affective drug is oxolinic acid powder which u can fing and some pet shops. but be very carfull with using this! this disease progresses very slow but is very difficult to treat.
it would be easier to identify with a pick though
is this the same seahorse that had cloudy eye??
from what i gather its columnaris, are u familiar with this?
 

rykna

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Is he eating?He is deffinately not eating mysis...although he has never shown any interest in mysis.In the past 2 weeks he mainly hunts pods....and likes baby brine.....the night I found his snout stuffed in the feeder tube sucking up leftovers was when I had feed baby brine. But in the past 3 days he has shown no interest in the baby brine, but shows some, but very little, interest in pods.
Do the patches appear raised or like open wounds?

I looked at them very closely last night. Romeo was very compliant, which really worried me. They looked like skin abrasions, similar to when you skin your knees on the pavement.
Do you have a hospital tank set up?

I did, however 3 days ago I removed the clowns into what was the hospital/QT and the 90 is now completely devoted to the horses. The clowns are in a 15 H on my desk now. I do have a 10 gallon which I can set up in minutes.
significant color changes
I have noticed that Romeo is a shade or two lighter than Valiant, and I wouldn't have much concern except for his activity and lack of eating is a big red flag.
:notsure:
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
ok it could be something more then lesions,theres something calles columnaris,
it usually starts of that the fish wont eat and will sometimes float in the water.usually the second stage to this is there triggers under there snout will hang out and if it progresses enough there bodies will be covered in what is often mistaken for a funges.
put the fish in a qt if it already isnt.
2 drugs to use is furanace its a powerful antibiotic,another affective drug is oxolinic acid powder which u can fing and some pet shops. but be very carfull with using this! this disease progresses very slow but is very difficult to treat.
it would be easier to identify with a pick though
is this the same seahorse that had cloudy eye??
do u have a pic
 

rykna

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I would love to post one, but our dig camera is on the blink.....I try and draw waht it looks like in paint shop 7
 

rykna

Active Member
I am now

Is this the correct deffiniton of the disease you are reffering to??
Names: Columnaris, Cotton-Wool, Cotton-Mouth, Flexibacter, Mouth Fungus
Description: Often mistaken for a fungal infection because of its mold-like lesions, Columnaris is a common bacterial infection in cultured fish, particularly livebearing fish and catfish. Its name is derived from columnar shaped bacteria, which are present in virtually all aquarium environments.
The bacteria are most likely to infect fish that have been stressed by such conditions as poor water quality, inadequate diet, or handling and shipping. Columnaris can enter the fish through the gills, mouth, or via small wounds on the skin. The disease is highly contagious and may be spread through contaminated nets, specimen containers, and even food.
Columnaris can be external or internal and may follow a chronic or acute course. Lesions in chronic cases progress slowly, taking many days before culminating in fish death. In acute cases the lesions spread quickly, often wiping out entire populations of fish within hours. High water temperatures accelerate the progression of the disease; however lowering the water temp will not affect the outcome of the disease.
Symptoms:
White spots on mouth, edges of scales, and fins
Cottony growth that eats away at the mouth
Fins disintegrate beginning at the edges
'Saddleback' lesion near the dorsal fin
Fungus often invades the affected skin
Rapid gilling in cases where gills are infected
Most Columnaris infections are external, and present first as white or grayish white spots on the head, and around the fins or gills. The lesions may first be seen only as a paler area that lacks the normal shiny appearance. As the lesion progresses it may become yellowish or brownish in color and the area around it may be tinged red.
Lesions on the back often extend down the sides, giving the appearance of a saddle. On the mouth the lesions may look moldy or cottony, and the mouth will become eaten away. Fins will erode and have a frayed appearance as the infection progresses. The gills filaments will disintegrate as the bacteria invade them, and the fish will begin breathing rapidly due to lack of oxygen. Less commonly, the infection will be internal, and display no external symptoms.
Treatment:
Change water
Vacuum gravel
Add aquarium salt
Treat with copper sulfate or antibiotic
Discontinue carbon filtration during treatment
External infections should be treated with antibiotics or chemicals in the water. Copper sulfate, Acriflavine, Furan, and Terramycin may all be used externally to treat Columnaris. Terramycin has proven to be quite effective both as a bath, and when used to treat foods for internal infections. Salt may be added to the water to enhance gill function. Livebearers in particular will benefit from the addition of salt, however use caution when treating catfish, as many are sensitive to salt.
Prevention:
Quarantine new fish for two weeks
Maintain high water quality
Provide fish with a nutritionally balanced diet
Medicate fish prophylactically before moving them
Disinfect nets and other equipment before using
Because the bacteria thrive on organic wastes, it can be controlled by regular water changes and vacuuming of the gravel. Proper diet and maintaining good water quality in general will keep the fish from being stressed and therefore susceptible to infection. To avoid spreading the bacterium, nets, specimen containers, and other aquarium equipment should be disinfected before each use. Small quantities of aquarium salt can be used to prevent disease in livebearer aquariums. When fish are being shipped or moved, they may be treated prophylactically with antibiotics or by feeding them medicated food.
If this is it....what steps to you recommend that i take to correct the problem. :notsure:
 

reefreak29

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i think u should qt and medicate with the antibiotics i mentioned, i do think this is what he has , and its very difficult to treat
 

rykna

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I will be using my 2nd 15 gallon high tank to QT.
Once I QT him,
~How long should I QT him?
~Is there any thing special I should use in the QT filtration, or just simple floss?
~What type of daily/weekly hygene maintenance is recommended?
since it is a brand new tank I should take daily water level checks to deal with any spikes imediately.
~Temp? 72~ 74
~What meds should I use?
I have ordered Meth Blue and Green
~What cleaning methods should I use on the 90 gallon to kill/remove the disease?
Thanks,
Rykna
 

reefreak29

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U Can Use Simple Floss For Filtration
Do A 1 Gal Water Change Every Other Day
Use A Bb Qt Of Course
Medicate With An Antibiotic Called Furanace
Whith The 90 Try To Clean Your Sand With Water Changes
Hope This Helps(seahorses Can Be Difficult At Times Huh)
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
U Can Use Simple Floss For Filtration
Do A 1 Gal Water Change Every Other Day
Use A Bb Qt Of Course
Medicate With An Antibiotic Called Furanace
Whith The 90 Try To Clean Your Sand With Water Changes
Hope This Helps(seahorses Can Be Difficult At Times Huh)
Difficult....man my reef tank, flower pot corals included was a cake walk compared to this!!!

Use A Bb Qt Of Course Bb???? not familar with this is? :notsure:
 

rykna

Active Member
Originally Posted by BellaNavis
I hope he pulls through.
Thanks
I'll do all I can, no mountain is to high for me! :happyfish
 

fallnhorse

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Cant you use melaflix? It's reef safe...you need to turn off your skimmer cause it will go crazy. But i had find rot bacteria on my fish a year ago. You have to do 25% water change after a week. But its used for bacteria infections. Just a thought.
 
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