WAL-MART: The High Cost of Low Price

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by Jmick
Thought this was interesting:
In a recent Congressional report, Everyday Low Wages: The Hidden Price We All Pay for Wal-Mart, the Democratic staff of the House of Representatives' Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates an average salary range for a Wal-Mart “Associate” worker of between $7.50 and $8.50 per hour. With managers operating on instructions from the corporate brass to keep overhead at a bare minimum, Wal-Mart employees have “an average on-the-clock workweek of 32 hours.”8 Since 2002, when Wal-Mart's definition of part-time employment changed to include anyone working fewer than 34 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, the cost burden of employee benefits coverage has shifted considerably onto the employees themselves. According to the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW):
Most Wal-Mart employees cannot afford to pay the expensive premiums and deductibles required for coverage. The average worker would have to pay one fifth of his paycheck for health care coverage at Wal-Mart. On a wage of about $8 an hour and 29-32 hours of work a week, many workers must rely on state programs or family members or simply live without health insurance.9
Full-time employees wait six months before becoming eligible to enroll in an Associate worker's health plan. For part-time employees the wait is four times as as long; after two years' work, these employees qualify only for individual coverage. According to an October 2003 AFL-CIO report, these prohibitive eligibility policies are a natural outgrowth of Wal-Mart's cost-cutting priorities.
These waiting periods are particularly important for holding down the company’s health {costs} because turnover rates appear to be very high among hourly Wal-Mart store employees. At some stores, turnover may well be more than 100 percent per year.10
The kindest available estimates indicate merely 46 percent of non-managerial Wal-Mart employees are actually insured by a company health plan. Far from going the extra mile to make health care accessible to its workforce, Wal-Mart leaves many of its uninsured or under-insured employees with little recourse but to seek outside assistance for a wide array of uncovered services.
No offense, but welcome to corporate America. Wal-Mart gets the spotlight because of their size. It is no different from many other stores. Cut costs, increase sales. They are no different. It is unfortunate but true. That is how it is in any store. All stores are out to make a profit. Some do it honestly and only grow so far. Some do it the scum-bag way and make it to be one of the top retail chains in the world. It is business.
 

jmick

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With something like 1.3 million employees they are the largest private employer in the US. I think that many employers in the US value thier employees and find that they are a great resource and assest to the company and are willing to do what it takes to reward and retain. That said, the problem with Walmart is that their employes have no real skills and are easy to train and easy to replace if they become to costly. When that's the case they have all the power and can abuse and take advantage all they want.
I see that there has been mention of bonus's going to hourly workers and that's a good thing but offering insurance to your employes and allowing them to work 40 hour weeks so they can get full benefits is even better. I have no idea how anyone would even wake up in the morning for $9.00 an hour and how they can raise a family on that kind of pay. As we continue to lose more tech jobs and industrial jobs to Mexico, China and India we are going to lower the bar for many americans and they will be forced to work these god awful types of jobs.
 

watson3

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Originally Posted by Jmick
I have no idea how anyone would even wake up in the morning for $9.00 an hour and how they can raise a family on that kind of pay. .
You need a reality check
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by watson3
You need a reality check
I went to college and was able to get a quality education. My wife doesn't have a degree and she makes over 70k a year. I think it boils down to ambition and hardwork.
 

watson3

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Originally Posted by Jmick
I think it boils down to ambition and hardwork.
I do agree with this somewhat, but there are literally hundreds of thousands of military families that live on far less than $9 an hour.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by watson3
I do agree with this somewhat, but there are literally hundreds of thousands of military families that live on far less than $9 an hour.
That might be true but they provide medical, dental and housing.
 

watson3

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Originally Posted by Jmick
That might be true but they provide medical, dental and housing.
Getting off topic, but this is not a subject you have experience in..Back to the subject at hand, I agree with if you do not like the job you are in, better yourself
 

jmick

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If you don't have a career path you are screwed and working at Walmart is not a path, it's more of a dead end.
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Jmick
If you don't have a career path you are screwed and working at Walmart is not a path, it's more of a dead end.
not everyone is going to 100k a year, if there not happy working at walmart get an education and fight for a better job
 

agent707

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Originally Posted by watson3
I do agree with this somewhat, but there are literally hundreds of thousands of military families that live on far less than $9 an hour.
Hundreds of thousands? I can respond to this with 10 years military under my belt.
An E3 with 2 years with a spouse (BAQ + BAS) makes about $30,000 year. Which comes to about $14.40 per hour.
Now if you include health benifits, it would equal a lot more.
This is just BASE PAY. Then there are other hazard duty pays (Iraq)....etc.
Anything below E3 under 2 is about 5% of our entire forces...
I guarantee there isn't a SINGLE military "family" living on "far less" than $9 an hour, much less hunreds of thousands.
Military Pay PDF file
You get so angry with me quoting and correcting you so much... all you have to do is stop posting so much BS.
 

watson3

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Originally Posted by Agent707
all you have to do is stop posting so much BS.

Quote one thing I have posted wrong..Housing Allowance(BAQ) as you call it and BAS are only given to members with dependants..These also do not count against you in your base pay..This is why I somewhat agree..This $14 and hour you come up with shows that you may have had a nice 0900-1700 job..That is well and good, but a typical military workweek is not just 40 hours..
 

agent-x

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Originally Posted by watson3
This $14 and hour you come up with shows that you may have had a nice 0900-1700 job..That is well and good, but a typical military workweek is not just 40 hours..
4 or more years of my life protecting this country, $9 or $14 I would expect more. Call me a coward or what ever, but I'd rather work for wal-mart for $9 than the Military for $14. I guess I'm just not as brave as those men and women who proctect our country, I'm glad they are and that they do. All that said, back to topic. No one is forcing them to work at Wal-Mart they can leave at any time and go work for someone else. If it was that Horrible to work at Wal-Mart they'd be forced to close because no one would work for them. Everyone would go to Target or Walgreens or somewhere else and the we'd hear about how bad that place treats it's workers.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by maxalmon
People don't seem to understand, Walmart has incredible pricing and they are able to get this low pricing because they beat the manufacturers up for lower than normal wholesale pricing based on projected volume. The manufacturer has to give Walmart lower pricing than other wholesale accounts which in turns leads to higher volume for the manufacturer and in order to keep up with this demand they have to hire more employees which they can only pay minimum wage in order to give Walmart the pricing they demand. Walmart holds pricing and wages down.
There are other things the manufactures do to meet the reduced price. I don't wear jeans that much, only on weekends. However, the Wal-Mart Levis signature series jeans they carry are of sub-quality. The pockets rip away from the pants in the wallet area as well as belt loops. Levis knows how poor this quality is they won't even sew their cloth name tab to the pocket. :scared: Go some where else and pay $10 more and get something that last - you can again tell this by the cloth tab with their name sewn on or not to the pocket.
 

watson3

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Originally Posted by AGENT-X
I guess I'm just not as brave as those men and women who proctect our country, I'm glad they are and that they do.
You should scroll through a few of my other posts..You will know when you find it...
 

watson3

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Originally Posted by Bronco300
can we start on menards next :
Never heard of this place.. Or that BJ place..
 

garnet13aj

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"In introducing the Health Care Accountability Act, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), Rep. Anthony D. Weiner (D-N.Y.), and Sen. Jon S. Corzine (D-N.J.) said they are concerned that large employers such as Wal-Mart are transferring responsibility for health care to government-funded programs such as Medicaid."
"Every worker in America is paying a part of their taxes to pay for Wal-Mart."
"In 14 states that already track which companies' employees use the most government health care, Wal-Mart workers are the biggest users of such programs"
"Georgia was the first state to look at such numbers. State Rep. Nan Grogan Orrock said more than 10,000 Wal-Mart employees were on a state health care program. The next-closest employer had 700 on state health care"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062202136.html
Here's an article from the washington post showing how the fact that walmart doesn't insure their employees affects you. Your taxes increase because they have to go on state programs to afford health care. Basically, Walmart is dumping the responsibility to care for its workers on us. Above are quotes if you don't want to read the article, but it's pretty short, if you do a search there are a lot more articles about the issue.
 

agent-x

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Originally Posted by watson3
You should scroll through a few of my other posts..You will know when you find it...

seems like I agree with most of what you have to say. I've noticed this in other posts too. must be the Watson thing we have in common.
 
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