Walk for Farm Animals

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by Tiberius
Animals do have rights. Reason why we have the Animal Welfare Act and people can get prosecuted for torturing animals.
They shouldn't... animals are animals and humans are humans... nevertheless, I support the fact that you are trying to do what you think is right...

 

[darknes]

I'm not sure I agree this is the most pressing issue in our world today, but at least you stand up for what you believe in.
I have a question:
Wouldn't it make more sense to spend the money your group earns on spreading your message instead of building animal sanctuaries to "save" factory farm animals? For every animal you "save", there will be another one there to replace it. Seems to me that by saving one animal, you condemn another.

 

[lil' tanker]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Indeed I do have compassion. But that does not mean that animals should have rights like humans.
Agreed I mean seriously it's sad but not that sad.

 

[lil' tanker]

Originally Posted by Tiberius
Thank you so much. Glad to hear someone on this thread supports me.
The walk was great today! The sun never came out which was a blessing. It just started to rain about an hour after it was all done with. Passed out a lot of flyers to people walking around the Pier. Had people walking throughout the park and seen our set up and joined in for the cause.
Met a lot of people who think just like I do. Found a great recipe for a faux chicken casserole. Played with all the dogs people brought for the walk!
Wow I'm glad I wasn't one of those people you bothered at the pier no offense but leave people alone unless they confront you first. I hate it when people come up to me like that if anything it just makes me more inclined not to do anything

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
They shouldn't... animals are animals and humans are humans... nevertheless, I support the fact that you are trying to do what you think is right...

So you think that a person should be able to torture their dog or cat if they wanted to and not get prosecuted (wait, weren't you Pro Vick when all that came about)? Aren't animals gods creatures as well and shouldn't they be treated some lvl of decency, even if they are eventually going to slaughter to feed us?

 

[jovial]

Vick is a scumbag. Now that I got that out of the way. I think the dude is only trying to ease the suffering of farm animals, a cause he/she belives in.
As a hunter I believe a respect should be given to any animal simply because it is alive. The animal didnt ask to be born and really dosent have any choice in being killed. As humans I think we have an obligation to treat animals with respect simply for being alive. Now if I can just keep the stray cats out of my sandbox.

 

[beth]

Its a not so talked about fact how harshly livestock are treated (animals destined to be food) so, I support your willingness speak out about it; it is a good thing. I believe people do have a right to eat meat, but that more should be done to humanly raise and care for animals, and that slaughter should happen in the most human way.
There is no difference between a horse destined for dog food, or a cow who will be a sirloin then a dog electrocuted because it couldn't perform in a dog fight (except, of course, the latter is illegal). Think about it.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Tiberius
Hello Reefers,
I am going to help raise money for Farm Sanctuary. This Sat. the 22nd, I will be joining others Walking for Farm Animals. You can donate money online at my website I created today.
The money will go directly to Farm Sanctuary.
http://www.firstgiving.com/Twinkles
Thank you for contributing for this just cause that so few people are aware of.
I sent out an email to all the people I trading my blue mushrooms with. Hoping I can reach my goal.
You can learn more about the suffering of farm animals here:
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/
These walks are taking place in many cities. You can check here to see if your city is listed to participate in:
http://www.firstgiving.com/process/r...1910&skip=home
i think your doing a great thing , althuogh i eat red meat i truley do not want the animal to suffer.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by Jmick
So you think that a person should be able to torture their dog or cat if they wanted to and not get prosecuted (wait, weren't you Pro Vick when all that came about)? Aren't animals gods creatures as well and shouldn't they be treated some lvl of decency, even if they are eventually going to slaughter to feed us?
LOL I never really even looked into that whole Vick thing...
Indeed, I do not like animals being tortured. We have small dog breeding business (6 dogs... that's considered small LOL), and each of our dogs is... uh... pampered. (sleeps with us in bed, curls up with us on the couch, etc.)

I ought to post pictures sometime... ah, I can see it now... "How Many Puppies..."

Anyways, I think very lowly of people who torture animals. But I do not think that there should be a law against it. If it does happen, pretty soon you'll end up in jail for smacking a dog that tried to bite you...

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
LOL I never really even looked into that whole Vick thing...
Indeed, I do not like animals being tortured. We have small dog breeding business (6 dogs... that's considered small LOL), and each of our dogs is... uh... pampered. (sleeps with us in bed, curls up with us on the couch, etc.)

I ought to post pictures sometime... ah, I can see it now... "How Many Puppies..."

Anyways, I think very lowly of people who torture animals. But I do not think that there should be a law against it. If it does happen, pretty soon you'll end up in jail for smacking a dog that tried to bite you...

So a creature that depends on us 100% for its safety and security shouldn't have some laws to protect it from evil and cruel treatment? We are the one's who domesticated the dog and I think that we own a lot to canines, they have had a very large and positive impact on us for 10’s of thousands of years (livestock protection, personal protection, estate protection, hunting partners, police work, hospice work and general companions).
I've been around dogs since I was a baby and I have never had a dog try to bite me and most dog bites happen because people do stupid things like try to take their food, take a bone or general mistreatment and if it were to bite you I'd say good for the dog.
Really the leap you have made is very silly, a dog that bites someone is more then likely going to be put down and to think you'd be the one prosecuted for hitting it back is amusing at best.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by Jmick
to think you'd be the one prosecuted for hitting it back is amusing at best.
Law enforcement crews, as you have seen in other threads, can be very quick to exaggerate laws...

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Law enforcement crews, as you have seen in other threads, can be very quick to exaggerate laws...
You mean the tread about the kid that blew through the stop sign on his bike? Seems like they were doing the kid a favor, what if the didn't stop him and the next day he did the same thing and was run over by a car?
In REAL LIFE, the most likely scenario would be the owner of the dog would be sued and the dog would be put down. Come on man, do you live in the same world as the rest of us?

 

[jerthunter]

I just wanted to say good job man! Although I am a cheapskate and wouldn't donate money I think it is awesome that you are standing up for a good cause that you believe in.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by Jmick
In REAL LIFE, the most likely scenario would be the owner of the dog would be sued and the dog would be put down. Come on man, do you live in the same world as the rest of us?
Of course. These days, that indeed is what would happen. But if these new animal laws come into effect...

 

[happyvac]

Not to detract from your organization, but I wouldn't link anything you do with PETA...many of their "shocking tapes" are fabricated, and much of what they say is untrue.
For instance, they released a video a while back of scientists spilling "acid" on a monkey...turns out it was just water.
PETA is just a cheap-stunt extremist group.

 

[tiberius]

Originally Posted by Darknes
I'm not sure I agree this is the most pressing issue in our world today, but at least you stand up for what you believe in.
I have a question:
Wouldn't it make more sense to spend the money your group earns on spreading your message instead of building animal sanctuaries to "save" factory farm animals? For every animal you "save", there will be another one there to replace it. Seems to me that by saving one animal, you condemn another.
Farm Sanctuary has dozens of brochures and videos for sale. People can buy these in bulk and give them out or just leave them in public places. So they are trying to spread the word of Factory Farming through their literature. I only know of them having 2 sanctuaries. One is in New York and the other is in California. From the pictures in the flyers and in their quarterly magazine they put out, they show the animal in distress before they rescue it and then another picture of it on the farm months later looking very happy. They can't save them all, but at least members can help inform others of the brutality which goes on at factory farms.

 

[tiberius]

Originally Posted by lil' tanker
Wow I'm glad I wasn't one of those people you bothered at the pier no offense but leave people alone unless they confront you first. I hate it when people come up to me like that if anything it just makes me more inclined not to do anything
I didn't bother anybody!! The people who were reading my sign I was holding, I asked them if they would like a brochure. Some didn't take it and some did take it. You can tell by a person's energy if they are concerned or don't give a crap about anything but themselves. I ignored asking those people and didn't even bother saying "Hi" to them. I knew I would be ignored. I believe there is a right way to approach people and a wrong way. After all, I am approached by people handing out flyers for religious info. They are not screaming at me. They just hold them out and if people take them then they succeeded.

 

[tiberius]

Originally Posted by Jmick
So you think that a person should be able to torture their dog or cat if they wanted to and not get prosecuted (wait, weren't you Pro Vick when all that came about)? Aren't animals gods creatures as well and shouldn't they be treated some lvl of decency, even if they are eventually going to slaughter to feed us?
Finally, another person on my side!!! That is what I believe. They don't have to be kicked and worse done to them. They will be dieing anyways. Why make their life more miserable. Plus, I don't know if you believe this but, the animals enduring all that stress and discomfort gets right into the meat. Think about it. They have to eat antibiotics all day every day so the animals won't get sick because they live in filth. Then people eat this meat. When people get sick, the doctor's are always forced to go to a higher dosage of antibiotics because the people have been consuming antibiotics in their meat for years and years. Plus, if a person eats all that bad energy that the animal has been enduring for its' entire life, then that bad energy is consumed by the person. I believe it is why so many people are having fits of stress and are getting sick.

 

[tiberius]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Vick is a scumbag. Now that I got that out of the way. I think the dude is only trying to ease the suffering of farm animals, a cause he/she belives in.
As a hunter I believe a respect should be given to any animal simply because it is alive. The animal didnt ask to be born and really dosent have any choice in being killed. As humans I think we have an obligation to treat animals with respect simply for being alive. Now if I can just keep the stray cats out of my sandbox.
That is why we have to be the voice of those animals. Just like on that show Animal Cops. I also believe that there is a necessity for hunters. Esp since most animals that they kill will be dieing anyways because their food source will diminish when Winter approaches. By I have to tell you that I am against "Canned Hunts". Or hunts where there is no purpose only to get a head wall mounted. To me that is not a purpose but only addresses their ego.

 

[tiberius]

Originally Posted by Beth
Its a not so talked about fact how harshly livestock are treated (animals destined to be food) so, I support your willingness speak out about it; it is a good thing. I believe people do have a right to eat meat, but that more should be done to humanly raise and care for animals, and that slaughter should happen in the most human way.
There is no difference between a horse destined for dog food, or a cow who will be a sirloin then a dog electrocuted because it couldn't perform in a dog fight (except, of course, the latter is illegal). Think about it.
Cool! Another person on my side. The only reason it is done this way is because it provides cheap food. Do you know that all the chicken found in chicken soup came from hens in battery cages? They can't be used to be sold as whole sections because their bodies are so badly bruised from being confined to cages where they can't even spread their wings.
As for the horse slaughter industry:
Today, The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) hailed a decision by the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit upholding the State of Illinois' decision to ban the slaughter of horses for human consumption. Illinois is home to the last remaining horse slaughter plant in the country, and the ruling effectively ends all slaughter of horses for food in the United States.
"Today's court decision marks the end of the line for the foreign-owned horse slaughter industry in the United States," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The HSUS. "Now it's up to Congress to finish the job and protect American horses from being exported to foreign abattoirs in Canada and Mexico for human consumption overseas."
The Animal Welfare Act could play a very important role if it involved horses, cows, chickens, turkeys and pigs.